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Brendan

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right....interesting I've been waiting for this and it confirms my suspicions 100%
Expect more of this imo.
Read carefully thats not good, and market is flooded with them.


I'm not too clued up on crash test scores but that's not great. personally I've always seemed to think they err on the side of safety aids and reminders that carry a lot of weight for the scores.

On a side note and an update to previous input ended up buying a used model y, alot more than wanted to spend but so far so good not fitted a proper charge point yet but it's handy enough with a "granny" charger as don't do a huge amount of miles plus thanks to octopus if it is plugged in during the day and there is excess power on the grid we end up with the whole house at 8p if it decides to charge the car
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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I'm not too clued up on crash test scores but that's not great. personally I've always seemed to think they err on the side of safety aids and reminders that carry a lot of weight for the scores.

On a side note and an update to previous input ended up buying a used model y, alot more than wanted to spend but so far so good not fitted a proper charge point yet but it's handy enough with a "granny" charger as don't do a huge amount of miles plus thanks to octopus if it is plugged in during the day and there is excess power on the grid we end up with the whole house at 8p if it decides to charge the car
Keep an eye on your charger plug. Some are 3kw and that's not great on a 13a plug.
I'd get proper charger asap.
Only takes neutral to wiggle loose or similar and they can easily go pop.
 
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Brendan

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Keep an eye on your charger plug. Some are 3kw and that's not great on a 13a plug.
I'd get proper charger asap.
Only takes neutral to wiggle loose or similar and they can easily go pop.
It's limited to 10a, by vehicle and by the actual lead, in the cars option you can also reduce the charging rate down from 10a down to 5a
I am going to change the plug socket to an EV rated one and have got a 2.5mm2 extension cable it's not an ideal situation but is temporary, as will get a proper wall point sorted but need meter moving and unsure on final wall point position
 
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Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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It's limited to 10a, by vehicle and by the actual lead, in the cars option you can also reduce the charging rate down from 10a down to 5a
I am going to change the plug socket to an EV rated one and have got a 2.5mm2 extension cable it's not an idea situation but is temporary, as will get a proper wall point sorted but need meter moving and unsure on final wall point position
Fp, yep deffo 2.5mm cable and proper rated plug etc is good. Seen a few near misses 😮
 
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Brendan

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if a 13A plug can't stand a constant 10A draw it shouldn't be called a 13Amp plug (or socket) :mad:
That's the thing, they are all rated for 13amp but it's not a constant load rating. Same as the plug in 110v transformers they are rated for one figure but the constant load is not far off half the headline figure.

I'm not sparky and it's not really an area of expertise and I think the household sockets are tested to something like a 20a max load but If you look at the big ticket 13a items like kettles, washing machines, ovens etc they all pull somewhere between 2-3kw but they only do it for short spells whereas an EV granny charger is pulling 10 amps or 2.3kw-2.4kw for hours at a time or at least they shouldn't be pulling more than 10 amps have read some of the cheaper non OEM ones of doing more.

There is specific ev rated single sockets, they have bs1363 EV stamped on them and are rated to pull high current for hours on end. Not easy to find though as no one seems to list what they are on any of the sites, only information seems to be the odd outdoor socket saying not suitable for EV in small print, I had to buy them through "tough leads" and turns out they are a hager socket

Have seen quite a few pics of melted sockets although it could be a number of factors causing it, loose wire, old cheap socket or simply just a standard 1.25mm2 extension cable plugged in
 
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V8Druid

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That's the thing, they are all rated for 13amp but it's not a constant load rating. Same as the plug in 110v transformers they are rated for one figure but the constant load is not far off half the headline figure.

I'm not sparky and it's not really an area of expertise and I think the household sockets are tested to something like a 20a max load but If you look at the big ticket 13a items like kettles, washing machines, ovens etc they all pull somewhere between 2-3kw but they only do it for short spells whereas an EV granny charger is pulling 10 amps or 2.3kw-2.4kw for hours at a time or at least they shouldn't be pulling more than 10 amps have read some of the cheaper non OEM ones of doing more.

There is specific ev rated single sockets, they have bs1363 EV stamped on them and are rated to pull high current for hours on end. Not easy to find though as no one seems to list what they are on any of the sites, only information seems to be the odd outdoor socket saying not suitable for EV in small print, I had to buy them through "tough leads" and turns out they are a hager socket

Have seen quite a few pics of melted sockets although it could be a number of factors causing it, loose wire, old cheap socket or simply just a standard 1.25mm2 extension cable plugged in
how about just using a blue 16A socket and plug set up instead ?



 
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Brendan

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There was an update so found it
 

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V8Druid

V8Druid

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it's a 32A socket/plug - not 40A and a 4mm cable is gonna get hot if he's pulling 40A through it, as are the pins -- needs to go up to a 64A set up if he's pulling 40A+

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Lancs Lad

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it's a 32A socket/plug - not 40A and a 4mm cable is gonna get hot if he's pulling 40A through it, as are the pins -- needs to go up to a 64A set up if he's pulling 40A+

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That's got warm 💥😬
It'll be a 7kw charger so that's 32a draw.
I'd hazard a guess his neutral was loose or maybe water ingress....not enough info.

Oh the joys of electric cars...I know of at least one bad house fire caused by dodgy chargers.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

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" Some 17,000 piles are being sunk into the ground for the foundations of the new Agratas £4bn electric vehicle battery factory in Bridgwater, Somerset. The development of Building One – the first of three ..........
the piling mat for Building One being roughly 1,000 metres by 750 metres. "

" and a new substation which will be needed to power the gigafactory (on top of the ongoing upgrades to Bridgwater’s own power grid). " just add that demand to all the data centres already struggling for supplies and you'll have a perfect storm for that 'end' of the grid :oops::(
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
our LA ran LPG vehicles for a few years and spent multiple thousands on installing a Hydrogen refuelling station in the most ludicrous of places in the town, just outside my old yard (pushed through planning VERY quietly, for some outfit in mid Wales, developing an H2 vehicle to refuel to get home), so they have no excuses when it comes to renewing fleets

" the UK has ‘significantly fewer’ hydrogen refuelling stations than the European average ..... the UK currently has ‘fewer than six’ in regular operation, ... compared to around 100 across Europe "
 
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" Some 17,000 piles are being sunk into the ground for the foundations of the new Agratas £4bn electric vehicle battery factory in Bridgwater, Somerset. The development of Building One – the first of three ..........
the piling mat for Building One being roughly 1,000 metres by 750 metres. "

" and a new substation which will be needed to power the gigafactory (on top of the ongoing upgrades to Bridgwater’s own power grid). " just add that demand to all the data centres already struggling for supplies and you'll have a perfect storm for that 'end' of the grid :oops::(
Get your smart meter now so you can help
 
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Gecko

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17,000 piles ...
What kind of swamp are they trying to build on?

I suppose if they didn't built a factory on the site, a developer would put a housing estate on the site, and disappear before the first house sunk below the surface.
 
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