Nick...
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video.if I could get it put on dvd I could flog a few copies.must be 25 years old and we’ll worth a look from what I can remember.
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Mark P
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Hi, Jumping onto this as there's not many posts about crusher buckets. We've just sold our Red Rhino crusher and looking into getting one for the Cat 313F 13 tanner.
Theres plenty of people saying they're slow but we're not after 100s of tons per day. Red rhino is a 2 man job to do it right with 1 watching the crusher and 1 loading then to get 80-100 ton out of a good day if the goings good. The idea is a crusher bucket 1 man can go on his own, crush bigger stuff and more tonnage per day than the red rhino?
So my questions being we're looking at MB Crushers and Xcentric. Anyone have any experience with either of these and what sort of tonnage can you expect from them? I know there's so many variables, how they're loaded, the product etc but the salesmen only tell you the good stuff which is anywhere from 15-30 ton an hour..
Theres plenty of people saying they're slow but we're not after 100s of tons per day. Red rhino is a 2 man job to do it right with 1 watching the crusher and 1 loading then to get 80-100 ton out of a good day if the goings good. The idea is a crusher bucket 1 man can go on his own, crush bigger stuff and more tonnage per day than the red rhino?
So my questions being we're looking at MB Crushers and Xcentric. Anyone have any experience with either of these and what sort of tonnage can you expect from them? I know there's so many variables, how they're loaded, the product etc but the salesmen only tell you the good stuff which is anywhere from 15-30 ton an hour..
TiltyShaun
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Certainly the MB is one to look at. Friend has one on originally on a JS160. The only downside of the crusher buckets is no magnet. When we had the machine here on the farm we crushed some of the hardest concrete I have come across that came for a very old runway!! They just keep going through the pile!!
I am curious, who is dealing with the Xcentric in the Uk and how does it compare price with the MB. I think the MB is available through Molsons as well as the original dealer!
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Mark P
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Sorry I thought id get an email when replies came through to this site! Price wise Xcentric is a little more than the MB, Blue group sell them and have told me we can demo one but there's nothing left to crush at the minute because it would be ideal to demo both.
Seems like a there are a fair few people running the MB crushers. In an ideal world Id like someone to come along that's used both and give me an honest review of them from experience
MB has a much bigger crushing box than Xcentric too.
TiltyShaun
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I think Wolseley Plant have been doing the MB range far longer than the Xcentric has been about in the UK. So finding someone who has experience on both might only be slightly easier than finding rocking horse poo!!Sorry I thought id get an email when replies came through to this site! Price wise Xcentric is a little more than the MB, Blue group sell them and have told me we can demo one but there's nothing left to crush at the minute because it would be ideal to demo both.
Seems like a there are a fair few people running the MB crushers. In an ideal world Id like someone to come along that's used both and give me an honest review of them from experience
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DaveDCB
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All I know is that the MB buckets have a decent resale price, even the absolutely ruined ones are a strong price!
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Mark P
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Yeah i've seen 2 or 3 second hand ones about and for the price its worth the bit more to buy a new one
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Old Operator
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Anyone using the very small crusher buckets? I have come up with TMA (for 1t mini) & Hawkfork HF18 for 1.5t. Looked into Tigerbite (£12K ex demo trailer model) & Dragon (even costlier) See on Ebay that these little machines hire for about £300 /day with a man to feed. Mini digger about same per day, so bucket seems a better bet for occasional use. Also storage, bucket takes up much less room if you already have a mini, & if this is already on site then less hassle to bring a bucket. Could see it working on some of the nightmare little jobs I have done locally where access awful. Needed double handling into a tiny dumper, sometimes even finding a place to get a decent load tipped a nightmare!
Am looking to upgrade to a decent mini shortly (will have the money ha ha) so wanted to take needed flow rate / psi for bucket into account. Does TMA auto reverse or do you need to push a pedal per stroke? -asked maker for info but he has not yet come back. Do not want to buy wrong carrier & so rule out a crusher bucket.
Looking to still do the slopes thing - so wide track base & long blade arms for carrier primary concern. See one of these buckets as making the mini more hireable, as someone on here said go well equipped rather than too specialized a carrier.
Someone locally running self contained crusher next size up from Tigerbite, probably Red Rhino, but not above 2.6t as moved with pick up. Think another costly machine in area now a bit much - hence bucket. Saw one hired from GAP on a job not so long ago, again difficult access for trucks.
Seems the little buckets do about half the production per hr of say Tigerbite - but far less of an expensive 'one trick pony'
Am looking to upgrade to a decent mini shortly (will have the money ha ha) so wanted to take needed flow rate / psi for bucket into account. Does TMA auto reverse or do you need to push a pedal per stroke? -asked maker for info but he has not yet come back. Do not want to buy wrong carrier & so rule out a crusher bucket.
Looking to still do the slopes thing - so wide track base & long blade arms for carrier primary concern. See one of these buckets as making the mini more hireable, as someone on here said go well equipped rather than too specialized a carrier.
Someone locally running self contained crusher next size up from Tigerbite, probably Red Rhino, but not above 2.6t as moved with pick up. Think another costly machine in area now a bit much - hence bucket. Saw one hired from GAP on a job not so long ago, again difficult access for trucks.
Seems the little buckets do about half the production per hr of say Tigerbite - but far less of an expensive 'one trick pony'
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fred
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dont bother. lump hammer is faster than a tigershite.
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Old Operator
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I had thought of hiring a Tigershite but this would have told me nothing about their long term viability. I think the bucket only possibility for me. Too bogged down in estate legal issues etc. to do anything right now but can dream. Would still like to hear from anyone running a TMA or HF18. Am I correct in thinking that if a machine of suitable size is piped for breaker then this would also run one of these buckets? What is the 'magic bar?' - probably could weld it as own inverter welder that can run 'special rods'
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Giles
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Heard a few ppl say tiger bites are made of cheese and one guy tried to give his back after 6 weeks of failures lost 8k on it i think
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fred
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i cant see any mileage in crushing. I did the math and its always cheaper to much away and get it dropped for us. Hardcode muckaways are free locally as they have a massive crusher so are geared up for it.
Sat for hours putting wear on a machine when it can be bought for £15 ton just doesnt add up.
Sat for hours putting wear on a machine when it can be bought for £15 ton just doesnt add up.
doobin
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100% this. I've only hired a mini crusher once and that was for a job where there was no access for a lorry. there was loads of patio to go, and I also needed type 1 on site.
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Old Operator
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I'll bear in mind the free collection of hardcore thing, not heard of it round here. Like JD I have seen veteran crusher demonstrated, little one run by a Lister small engine, big one run by belt from steam roller! Considering the age of these things they must have been well made! I doubted the tonnage per hr claim of Tigerbite as against a bucket crusher, guessing they cheated by putting a lot of already present fines through. At £16K for the tracked model you would have expected it to work. It is just that I have done some small landscaping jobs where getting anything off site is a time consuming nightmare & likewise the reverse. I have seen one of these buckets mounted teeth up overhanging a kind of trailer & running off a power pack, naturally it was hand fed.
I could sort of see it on one of these nightmare access jobs where there is rubble & say some hardcore is needed to construct a path. Disappointing that the UK made Tiger is overpriced junk
I could sort of see it on one of these nightmare access jobs where there is rubble & say some hardcore is needed to construct a path. Disappointing that the UK made Tiger is overpriced junk
Vinpetrol
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I’ve come to accept Murphys law . I now know the day after I’ve paid to get rid of the most beautiful perfect topsoil some fecker Will phone looking for some 5 mins from the site I just paid to get rid of it from . Same applies for hardcore or good quality as dug . One week I’m paying to get rid of it , 7 days later I’m buying it in 5 minutes away .
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Brendan
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Have never managed to get hard core as a free tip, even when it was either all brick and block or clean broke out concrete, don't even get a reduction in grab rates either.
My experience with the Tiger bite, my mate hired is very noisy, and at less than a year old was in bad condition, guy left spare belts behind and the battery was dead the next day, all safety stops broken and just as it's bad the noise, it is loud.
The UK built dragon is even more expensive than the tiger bite l, convertor is an add on the same as PTO for hydraulic breaker
My experience with the Tiger bite, my mate hired is very noisy, and at less than a year old was in bad condition, guy left spare belts behind and the battery was dead the next day, all safety stops broken and just as it's bad the noise, it is loud.
The UK built dragon is even more expensive than the tiger bite l, convertor is an add on the same as PTO for hydraulic breaker
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Smiffy
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I guess you are in an area with easily quarryable material.
We have nothing round here which is why concrete muck away is cheap and aggregates are expensive
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Brendan
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Local quarries are sand and gravel and ironically more expensive than further afield, grs bring in quarried type 1 to the rail head
JD450A
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The only time free hardcore ever stacks up IMHO is when it's off your own job and you can monitor and deal with the quality and content.
Lancs Lad
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