Storrsy
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64!? I hope I have enough gusto still in me at that age to be thinking about crushers and diggers! Happy birthday
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kato512
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They've been through euro auctions last year at around £3.5k + fees
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Old Operator
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Kato, did you mean the crusher at 3.5 K ? or some of the other stuff. Agreed at my age more of a profitable hobby than anything else. Mind you there was a guy on Gold Rush driving a D9 sized Fiatallis & he was 84. Also footage of a guy driving a Priestman Wolf Navvy & he was 91!
Had my old laser level out the other day to see that it still works. Thanks for the birthday wishes
Re the crusher it seems to work better on the Koop (Yanmar) diesel - more low end torque, bit of black smoke under load, I do wonder how so many of the 0.8t Chinese mini's seem to get in with this same engine - all the 'Euro 5' & Greta green stuff etc
Had my old laser level out the other day to see that it still works. Thanks for the birthday wishes
Re the crusher it seems to work better on the Koop (Yanmar) diesel - more low end torque, bit of black smoke under load, I do wonder how so many of the 0.8t Chinese mini's seem to get in with this same engine - all the 'Euro 5' & Greta green stuff etc
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After re reading more on here unless there is a UK or EU dealer in the above who keeps stocks of spares it is likely too great a risk. All too Ying Tong! as some would say. A simple machine compared to a mini digger but if say the crank went in the crusher with no spares it is finished.
I thought of the bucket on the Avant & how it is used, all the Avant is doing is being a power pack & making the thing mobile. Well what is to stop me putting the smallest of crusher buckets on to 'T' trailer chassis facing upward & backward, or indeed a skid, providing power from either a power pack or even a nearby mini hammer feed via hoses. Might even pick up a bucket second hand someone has tired of (they all have a flat top mount a bit like a top mount hammer). As long as I have the psi & Lpm the thing will work. If I can later gravitate to a bigger mini - then it can go on the digger as usual. Crusher bucket remains re sellable if not much work for it. Ying Tong risk non existent as 3 UK makers of these buckets.
As to power packs the French HHO company maintains this maxim applicable to small petrol or diesel engines :- 1 mech KW per cc/rev ( 1.33 HP) @ 160 Bar (2352 psi). This is the design basis for all their machines, & seems to hold to Flowfit packs as well. HHO also say that if you replace the engine with an AC motor then it is the 3/5 rule i.e. a 5 HP petrol is replaced by a 3HP elec. If working in Kw then it is the mech Kw's out of the elec motor not elec Kw's of input so better to work in HP (or CV as they call it)
TMA state that their smallest bucket is for 1.1t to 2.2t all very well but the bucket weighs 205 Kg empty & filled to heaped can put on another 50 Kg so realistically too heavy to have on the end of a 1.1t stick even if it has the aux flow to operate it. All probs go away if say put on an 8018 but a bit of a big first step just now. I would be buying a bigger machine than I want or need just to run the bucket. Hence the trailer / skid for now. Above ideas came to me while doing a fence job on my birthday
I thought of the bucket on the Avant & how it is used, all the Avant is doing is being a power pack & making the thing mobile. Well what is to stop me putting the smallest of crusher buckets on to 'T' trailer chassis facing upward & backward, or indeed a skid, providing power from either a power pack or even a nearby mini hammer feed via hoses. Might even pick up a bucket second hand someone has tired of (they all have a flat top mount a bit like a top mount hammer). As long as I have the psi & Lpm the thing will work. If I can later gravitate to a bigger mini - then it can go on the digger as usual. Crusher bucket remains re sellable if not much work for it. Ying Tong risk non existent as 3 UK makers of these buckets.
As to power packs the French HHO company maintains this maxim applicable to small petrol or diesel engines :- 1 mech KW per cc/rev ( 1.33 HP) @ 160 Bar (2352 psi). This is the design basis for all their machines, & seems to hold to Flowfit packs as well. HHO also say that if you replace the engine with an AC motor then it is the 3/5 rule i.e. a 5 HP petrol is replaced by a 3HP elec. If working in Kw then it is the mech Kw's out of the elec motor not elec Kw's of input so better to work in HP (or CV as they call it)
TMA state that their smallest bucket is for 1.1t to 2.2t all very well but the bucket weighs 205 Kg empty & filled to heaped can put on another 50 Kg so realistically too heavy to have on the end of a 1.1t stick even if it has the aux flow to operate it. All probs go away if say put on an 8018 but a bit of a big first step just now. I would be buying a bigger machine than I want or need just to run the bucket. Hence the trailer / skid for now. Above ideas came to me while doing a fence job on my birthday
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kato512
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Them green Chinese crushers.
There is this, needs work and a power-pack
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Old Operator
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Red Rhino 3000, weighs 1.7t as it sits. To be honest If I had found a new place to operate from I would seriously look at it. Mind you I would have felt happier if it could have been seen running. I always wonder what they are masking by taking a few parts off - probably just me but a mate bought a Benford belt drive dumper off Ebay - said to need just belts. (belts formed a 'jockey' clutch) Turned out the belts had been removed to mask a knackered gear box!! (as I feared) remember saying why does seller not buy belts & sell as a runner
Would need commitment to bigger tow vehicle - might mount on 'generator' skeleton trailer - Red rhino stuff well thought of, had them noted down as possibility. They do not give much away re power pack needs unless you contact them.
Re. Ying Tong - I see several BYD cars round here - looked them up - oh dear. Brighter note excused Jury service on grounds of wife's illnesses etc. Did not fancy 2 weeks in a stuffy room in May
Would need commitment to bigger tow vehicle - might mount on 'generator' skeleton trailer - Red rhino stuff well thought of, had them noted down as possibility. They do not give much away re power pack needs unless you contact them.
Re. Ying Tong - I see several BYD cars round here - looked them up - oh dear. Brighter note excused Jury service on grounds of wife's illnesses etc. Did not fancy 2 weeks in a stuffy room in May
Lancs Lad
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I'm fascinated that someone would drive round with Build Your Dreams - BYD written across the back of their car!
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kato512
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Two in auction at the end of the month
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Old Operator
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In some ways tempting (& I will follow what it goes for) but research on Alibaba / Made in China does not come up with an HCJT 510. There is the smaller HCJT 410 (1300 Kg & direct belt drive via electro magnetic clutch on engine). & HCJT 430 (1800 Kg & drive to vee belts via hydraulic motor) Actual transport mass is all over the place dependent on which seller you look at - translation issue?
My biggest fear would be getting parts - if it is this difficult to identify the model now, imagine trying to get crusher wear plates, or indeed the clutch if on the smaller Tong model. Notice the auction machines have the Koop 'little stinker' diesel engine (Greta / Milliband will weep)
None of this is helped by Tigerbite themselves offering the crusher at £240 / day non op. One owner (Manchester) is doing his at same price with him as op (no doubt to protect his investment). Hire prices all over the place depending where based. See a Dragon 3000 (Tigerbite / small Tong size) @ £350 day inc vat, & Rhino 4000 tracked (bigger) @ only £240 day. TBH a mini digger seems to bring a better rate, but much competition Prices off Ebay / Tigerbite. See also some low hour units for sale e.g. 2021 unit only 73 hours - makes you wonder
Found this UK ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/32647889...bKVERFFqwZmbHAVW+lCBNDeeQ=|tkp:Bk9SR_zzreDAZQ
He wants £12K for it - HCJT 410 £4800 China!!!
My biggest fear would be getting parts - if it is this difficult to identify the model now, imagine trying to get crusher wear plates, or indeed the clutch if on the smaller Tong model. Notice the auction machines have the Koop 'little stinker' diesel engine (Greta / Milliband will weep)
None of this is helped by Tigerbite themselves offering the crusher at £240 / day non op. One owner (Manchester) is doing his at same price with him as op (no doubt to protect his investment). Hire prices all over the place depending where based. See a Dragon 3000 (Tigerbite / small Tong size) @ £350 day inc vat, & Rhino 4000 tracked (bigger) @ only £240 day. TBH a mini digger seems to bring a better rate, but much competition Prices off Ebay / Tigerbite. See also some low hour units for sale e.g. 2021 unit only 73 hours - makes you wonder
Found this UK ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/32647889...bKVERFFqwZmbHAVW+lCBNDeeQ=|tkp:Bk9SR_zzreDAZQ
He wants £12K for it - HCJT 410 £4800 China!!!
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found you the ideal solution OP .... just need to up your transport requirements a little
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Monkeybusiness
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This looks a fairly decent buy if you have some work for it imo.found you the ideal solution OP .... just need to up your transport requirements a little
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All of the mini/micro/chinese/small mobile tracked etc etc crushers seem massively pointless to me - their throughput is so minuscule that there is no way of justifying the labour to feed them when compared to buying in.
A mate crushed some tarmac for me with a bucket-crusher on an 8 tonne digger and it was wank - took all day and produced bugger all. I guessed it was going to be an hour’s work looking at the pile.
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6feetdown
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@Gunners did a video on his crusher bucket watched today. Good review
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what would one need to drive that ?found you the ideal solution OP .... just need to up your transport requirements a little
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In the past I have done many jobs around the Ironbridge Gorge area, Telford. Access so awful that triple handling from where a 4 axle tipper can get to. Same thing with skips. Just not economic at todays wage rates. Often the job produces potential hardcore or it is already there in spades.
Idea really came from what extras could make a micro / mini more in demand. I found this thread - seems to come to similar conclusions
https://www.planttalk.co.uk/threads/small-crushers.3703/ TBH risking £5k in a TMA crusher bucket just might pan out for occasional use in these nightmare sites. I was more looking into things so as not to get the wrong trailer / mini & so cut myself off from trying it later. Thread seems to say that money in digger better investment than these crushers. At 64 I still need to make a bit of cash doing what I quite like but barrowing & manual handling getting harder than it was!
Came up with idea of mounting smallest 200 Kg bucket on blade of mini (looking up & forward like on the Avant but smaller) Bucket then on a much shorter radius to the tracks so maybe doable via a smaller machine - provided it had the aux flow to run it. Likewise mounting on a skid or old BT cable reel trailer.
Studied used machines today, Dragon 300 had new crushing jaws @ 500 hrs (granted we do not now what it crushed. Tigerbite jaws reversible so two lives. 400 at least is direct belt drive via centrifugal engine clutch. Cannot find a user manual for the 425 but not that different. I always look at complexity of machines as like to be my own fitter whenever poss. If parts not available no tinkerer can fix. (Ying Tong fears). I am amazed anyone risks a Chinese digger - massively more complex & if hyd components poor you have a Meccano set at best or metal sculpture at worst!
Idea really came from what extras could make a micro / mini more in demand. I found this thread - seems to come to similar conclusions
https://www.planttalk.co.uk/threads/small-crushers.3703/ TBH risking £5k in a TMA crusher bucket just might pan out for occasional use in these nightmare sites. I was more looking into things so as not to get the wrong trailer / mini & so cut myself off from trying it later. Thread seems to say that money in digger better investment than these crushers. At 64 I still need to make a bit of cash doing what I quite like but barrowing & manual handling getting harder than it was!
Came up with idea of mounting smallest 200 Kg bucket on blade of mini (looking up & forward like on the Avant but smaller) Bucket then on a much shorter radius to the tracks so maybe doable via a smaller machine - provided it had the aux flow to run it. Likewise mounting on a skid or old BT cable reel trailer.
Studied used machines today, Dragon 300 had new crushing jaws @ 500 hrs (granted we do not now what it crushed. Tigerbite jaws reversible so two lives. 400 at least is direct belt drive via centrifugal engine clutch. Cannot find a user manual for the 425 but not that different. I always look at complexity of machines as like to be my own fitter whenever poss. If parts not available no tinkerer can fix. (Ying Tong fears). I am amazed anyone risks a Chinese digger - massively more complex & if hyd components poor you have a Meccano set at best or metal sculpture at worst!
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Monkeybusiness
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I’d set an ebay search up for anything within your parameters, and bid anyone selling in the bollocks. It’s a very tight niche and you will be one of very few buyers looking to get into it. If you can get a crusher for bugger-all money then you have nothing to lose. It doesn’t sound like you have an immediate need for one so just bide your time and get good at sniping sellers!
V8Druid
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Mogman
What man as done, man can do, what never has,maybe
It says collection from Carlisle but his location is Bristol 
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bobthebuilder
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would a old tractor with the sawbench pulley do it ?a bloody big crank handle... my best guess'd be at least 10hp well geared
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Smiffy
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Probably but might want something like a marshal with a large displament rather than a little fergy.
Seen them attached to lister stationary engines before.
V8Druid
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more designed for multiple Vee belt drive on the BIG pulley from a real small one - not really a flat belt drive piece of gear .. needs to be slow
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