Routy56 - can you just....

[GazCro]

Yeah water based I believe.

No copper or arsenic in tanalising took away any use it was as a replacement for creosote and thats without the lack if decent timber to work with for a start off.

 

[Routy56]

More fun and games this week

50m of the good stuff to get in the ground....

Good workout running two machines solo

Hitting sticky light brown clay at about 350mm, little pockets of gravel, before going down to about 450mm....

End of a loooooong day got all 50m in the ground

Back tomorrow to add stone and clear up the mess.......

 

[Storrsy]

More fun and games this week
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50m of the good stuff to get in the ground....View attachment 30466
Good workout running two machines solo
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Hitting sticky light brown clay at about 350mm, little pockets of gravel, before going down to about 450mm....

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End of a loooooong day got all 50m in the ground

Back tomorrow to add stone and clear up the mess.......

Nice- but do you not put a membrane in?

 

[Routy56]

Nice- but do you not put a membrane in?

Nope no specified by the farmer guy that I am doing it for
On my jobs I always membrane the trench rather than put a sock on the pipe.
But WTF do I know I’m just a digger driver

 

[Furniss]

Will someone come forward with a convincing case for membrane in that trench ..... im not convinced but I'm happy to listen.

 

[Gunners]

Will someone come forward with a convincing case for membrane in that trench ..... im not convinced but I'm happy to listen.

Yep, I agree, its not like sand that might wash into the clean stone and clog the drain up. I always avoid wrapping them where I can too

 

[Furniss]

Nope no specified by the farmer guy that I am doing it for
On my jobs I always membrane the trench rather than put a sock on the pipe.
But WTF do I know I’m just a digger driver

What's your reasoning?

 

[Storrsy]

What's your reasoning?

I think it largely depends on your soil conditions but in my humble opinion it's a soil separation thing. If on well consolidated soil then might be fine but we all know what happens to saturateded soil- it turns to s**t and ends up mixing with the stone. Probably takes a few years to clog the pipe but id still feel happier membraning myself- then again I'm on peaty soil and it has no structure at all so would soon mix with the stone

 

[Storrsy]

This was one I did a few years ago- might not look like it but it's woobbly peat- dig a hole anywhere and it has the consistency of cow s**t - they're still running fine 5 years later but sure it would have been a none starter with out membrane
In fact I dug this pond on the same ground and it full with water overnight!

 

[Furniss]

I think it largely depends on your soil conditions but in my humble opinion it's a soil separation thing. If on well consolidated soil then might be fine but we all know what happens to saturateded soil- it turns to s**t and ends up mixing with the stone. Probably takes a few years to clog the pipe but id still feel happier membraning myself- then again I'm on peaty soil and it has no structure at all so would soon mix with the stone

When I worked for a land drainage company it got used under certain conditions, iron ochre and the kind of ground you mention there but im not convinced it wants putting in every trench you dig as a matter of course

 

[GazCro]

I think it largely depends on your soil conditions but in my humble opinion it's a soil separation thing. If on well consolidated soil then might be fine but we all know what happens to saturateded soil- it turns to s**t and ends up mixing with the stone. Probably takes a few years to clog the pipe but id still feel happier membraning myself- then again I'm on peaty soil and it has no structure at all so would soon mix with the stone

Trouble is with membrane is that it blocks up and stops a perfectly good drain working.

 

[Furniss]

Trouble is with membrane is that it blocks up and stops a perfectly good drain working.

I knew you'd be controversial

 

[Storrsy]

Trouble is with membrane is that it blocks up and stops a perfectly good drain working.

Does it though. if it can block the membrane it can block the stone and pipe over time too?

 

[Furniss]

Does it though. if it can block the membrane it can block the stone and pipe over time too?

I think membrane is a finer filter and you could argue would block sooner

 

[Routy56]

See what happened when I turn my back - my blog gets hijacked with really interesting chatter about land drainage
You'll get my responses in just a moment.....

.......so today I've been fannying around my my SIL's Vauxhall Insignia. 63 plate CDTI job
Over the last few months it has been randomly cranking over but refusing to start.
Had to tow it home at least twice in as many weeks, then the next morning it starts and runs OK
On the last occasion I towed it straight back to the Two Akers workshop.
So got all me DTC reader gubbins and Op Com software running.
Only significant thing was no high pressure on the common rail.
Gra @V8Druid will know all about such stuff
More simple diagnosis was required. Y'all all know that the HP pump on the engine is fed by a low pressure 'priming' pump n the tank.
So pulling off the pipe feeding the HP pump revealed no gushing flow of expensive white diesel
Thinking that the tank pump had failed........

I whipped the tank off and ordered a new pump assembly.....

......and checked that the 12v feed was OK. Y'all all know that the prime is for about 5s and you have to cycle the ignition several times to bleed it after changing the fuel filter. Been there and one that

While waiting for the new pump to arrive, I am out to play with land drainage stuff

.....and give the tank straps some Druid TISH

......so the new Bosch pump assembly arrives today and the Fcuking thing is broken - see the bits beside the gauge float arm

So while procrastinating about what to do, with my daughter's family car off the road, and thinking that I could swap over the rheostat assembly, and even that was different, I found the original fault
Look at the red wire - it's cooked and burnt. The terminal had been randomly arcing and getting very hot.
Good job it wasn't a petrol car.

So I simply cleaned it all up, bit of plumbers flux and soldered the internal red wire straight on the connector

Tomorrow after Park Run, I'll put it all back together....

 

[Routy56]

What's your reasoning

So on this occasion, the Farmer Boy specified that he wanted a "French Drain" - you will no doubt know what one of those is.
And probably tell me that I've done it wrong

So the muddy skill of wrapping a land drain trench in geotextile was learnt by me many years ago.
I was inspired by Tony McCormack who wrote a book called "Driveways, Paths and Patios"
IMHO he has a super web site The Paving Expert
He has done a case study which I used many year ago to drain some boggy land which is still good today.
Land Drain

So this is my preferred option.

Site visit before I started.....

Getting a trench in......

Wrapping the trench

Job jobbed - and years later it still don't flood

BUT on my latest job we have a nice clay lined trench with gravels to the top and the end of the pipe is left accessible inc case it needs flushing

 

[Furniss]

I agree it has its place but not in the trench where I rightly or wrongly got the impression you felt the need to defend the decision not to put it in

 

[V8Druid]

See what happened when I turn my back - my blog gets hijacked with really interesting chatter about land drainage
You'll get my responses in just a moment.....

.......so today I've been fannying around my my SIL's Vauxhall Insignia. 63 plate CDTI job
Over the last few months it has been randomly cranking over but refusing to start.
Had to tow it home at least twice in as many weeks, then the next morning it starts and runs OK
On the last occasion I towed it straight back to the Two Akers workshop.
So got all me DTC reader gubbins and Op Com software running.
Only significant thing was no high pressure on the common rail.
Gra @V8Druid will know all about such stuff
More simple diagnosis was required. Y'all all know that the HP pump on the engine is fed by a low pressure 'priming' pump n the tank.
So pulling off the pipe feeding the HP pump revealed no gushing flow of expensive white diesel
Thinking that the tank pump had failed........View attachment 30504
I whipped the tank off and ordered a new pump assembly.....

View attachment 30505
......and checked that the 12v feed was OK. Y'all all know that the prime is for about 5s and you have to cycle the ignition several times to bleed it after changing the fuel filter. Been there and one that

While waiting for the new pump to arrive, I am out to play with land drainage stuff

View attachment 30506
.....and give the tank straps some Druid TISH

View attachment 30507
......so the new Bosch pump assembly arrives today and the Fcuking thing is broken - see the bits beside the gauge float arm

View attachment 30508
So while procrastinating about what to do, with my daughter's family car off the road, and thinking that I could swap over the rheostat assembly, and even that was different, I found the original fault
Look at the red wire - it's cooked and burnt. The terminal had been randomly arcing and getting very hot.
Good job it wasn't a petrol car.
View attachment 30509
So I simply cleaned it all up, bit of plumbers flux and soldered the internal red wire straight on the connector

Tomorrow after Park Run, I'll put it all back together....

lucky find and fix Dave .... good job too .... swirl pot lid is missing off that new unit .. would cause all sorts of issues with a low-ish fuel level in the tank .... those high volume flow/return pumps need plenty of fuel around 'em to keep it flowing and feeding the HP unit

as said ..... bloody good job it was diesel in the tank

 

[diggerjones]

So on this occasion, the Farmer Boy specified that he wanted a "French Drain" - you will no doubt know what one of those is.
And probably tell me that I've done it wrong

So the muddy skill of wrapping a land drain trench in geotextile was learnt by me many years ago.
I was inspired by Tony McCormack who wrote a book called "Driveways, Paths and Patios"
IMHO he has a super web site The Paving Expert
He has done a case study which I used many year ago to drain some boggy land which is still good today.
Land Drain
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So this is my preferred option.

Yes paving expert is the go to site for anything to do with paving and groundwork.
In fact he sends me a Christmas card, any time now. He's been my house a couple of years ago.
He also president of the bsa owners club near Manchester

 

[Routy56]

I agree it has its place but not in the trench where I rightly or wrongly got the impression you felt the need to defend the decision not to put it in

Yes but it was @Storrsy that raised the issue no doubt realising that it would spark a discussion
I can see both sides of the argument for and against
On this job it wasn’t my decision because the guy I’m working for thinks that he knows everything about anything
Suited me fine cos it saved me getting more muddy