Nissan Navara 4wd system.

[Monkeybusiness]

The best towing vehicles we’ve had were 3.5 tonne 3l Iveco daily twin wheel tippers. Very very torquey and geared perfectly, with enough weight to not be bossed around by anything hooked on the back.
My coil sprung Navara was the best all round pickup I’ve owned - kicks the arse out of our current Hilux imo.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

I was raging! 3 days and £1200 I think I paid. Reminded me not to be so complicit ever again

I paid for all my lads to do theirs as well. Summat like 8k cost. I was REALLY raging

 

[V8Druid]

Sure there was a bloke on arbtalk a few years ago who fancied himself as a bit of a towing guru. Made a case for the "applied load" principle but nevertheless not sure VOSA would see it that way sadly!

" applied load " would only apply to a gooseneck, or 5th wheel types of set up - all 50mm balls / couplings / tow bars have a specified max. nose weight.

 

[Smiffy]

" applied load " would only apply to a gooseneck, or 5th wheel types of set up - all 50mm balls / couplings / tow bars have a specified max. nose weight.

I seem to remember we had this argument with him multiple times and established how worrying it was that the trailer trainer didn't understand the trailer rules or principles

 

[Routy56]

A weighted tipper is 3.5t a pickup is nearly 1t less. In general the heavier the vehicle the better towing experience. All pickups no matter how powerful tend to let the tail wag the dog. Plus most pickups are designed as hand bag motors now, the gearing of a tipper is way better.

Agree with all of that, but my handbag carrier Navava does have other uses

And as far as load carrying - yes not as much as a truck but just be sensible. When I was looking for pickups, the Sangyoing Musso was the only one that could legally carry 1 tonne on the bed AND tow a 3.5 tonne trailer. It's all about the GTW
Last week when I unloaded a small pallet of pallet of postcrete with my FLT I was surprised how much the arse came up.

 

[Smiffy]

Agree with all of that, but my handbag carrier Navava does have other uses
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And as far as load carrying - yes not as much as a truck but just be sensible. When I was looking for pickups, the Sangyoing Musso was the only one that could legally carry 1 tonne on the bed AND tow a 3.5 tonne trailer. It's all about the GTW
Last week when I unloaded a small pallet of pallet of postcrete with my FLT I was surprised how much the arse came up.

I'm not saying that pickups can't be used for work. Just that we have long since passed the point in there evolution cycle where work functionality is the foremost design criteria.
Very soon someone will come out trying to reinvent the wheel by producing a utilitarian vehicle. Only to turn it into another Chelsea tractor in short order. Or maybe ineos have already got that badge sewed up.

 

[Canal Navvy]

Now did we ever decide if I can move my unladen tt3017 behind the corsavan

 

[Giles]

Long Wheelbase part loaded RWD van with a towing diff will piss all over any 4WD/SUV for ON road towing duties in a forward direction.

Having towed with a 7.5 ton and long wheel base transit/iveco etc I suggest you try a land cruiser then re assess your comment.

Even part loaded can be a tendency in certain circumstances and road conditions to try jack knife / push back end out under hard breaking/ turning etc

The land cruiser are like towing with a tractor

 

[Giles]

I'm not saying that pickups can't be used for work. Just that we have long since passed the point in there evolution cycle where work functionality is the foremost design criteria.
Very soon someone will come out trying to reinvent the wheel by producing a utilitarian vehicle. Only to turn it into another Chelsea tractor in short order. Or maybe ineos have already got that badge sewed up.

We used to run a 130hd but was under powered and not a patch on the jap pickups for towing, needed another hundred or more hp.

Dont get much more utilitarian than an old defender lol

 

[Giles]

Local guy ran something like this but not 5th wheel was short wheel base single cab double wheel sprinter think it was a 5.5 ton one with Ballested back but on conventional hitch said it towed very well fully loaded.

 

[Storrsy]

We used to run a 130hd but was under powered and not a patch on the jap pickups for towing, needed another hundred or more hp.

Dont get much more utilitarian than an old defender lol

Just like my old one! Agree not much power but found it a solid ploder for towing and used to often tow the 2.8tonner and have the pickup loaded too- I kinda miss mine.

 

[Storrsy]

Just like my old one! Agree not much power but found it a solid ploder for towing and used to often tow the 2.8tonner and have the pickup loaded too- I kinda miss mine.

I remember when the beast from the east hit. Was dark coming back up the long drag back on to the moors, blizzard conditions- roads filling up cars abandoned everywhere, I was giving a lift to a couple who had managed to position their Freelander in a ditch. My hicap was the only vehicle still going on those roads- driving along with head out the window as wipers couldnt clear it any more- I felt so proud of her that day!

 

[Monkeybusiness]

I need to pull my finger out and give this the love it deserves!

 

[Storrsy]

I need to pull my finger out and give this the love it deserves! View attachment 76745

At least it's serving a purpose at the moment though!

 

[doobin]

The best towing vehicles we’ve had were 3.5 tonne 3l Iveco daily twin wheel tippers. Very very torquey and geared perfectly, with enough weight to not be bossed around by anything hooked on the back.
My coil sprung Navara was the best all round pickup I’ve owned - kicks the arse out of our current Hilux imo.

Twin wheels make a massive difference to stability I think.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

At least it's serving a purpose at the moment though!

Give the nag something to itch himself against I suppose!

 

[V8Druid]

I need to pull my finger out and give this the love it deserves! View attachment 76745

before the iron worm completely consumes it

 

[Monkeybusiness]

before the iron worm completely consumes it

There’s a galv chassis and bulkhead here for it when I eventually get around to it (though the originals aren’t too bad tbh)

 

[JD450A]

Same but let's move on quickly before Rory arrives

I have been told to notify you that I did not do the trailer test.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

I have been told to notify you that I did not do the trailer test.

I want my C1 ( I am on post 97 licence) but keep putting it off in the hopes that we get it back for free