Electric vehicles

[V8Druid]

It just won't work, the whole electric agenda is pure fantasy land. Average age of cars on the road is 10 (18.7 in my house or 12 if the rx7 isn't included) majority of electric vehicles will be dead or way beyond economical repair by that point.
That's without the environmental damage of mining for the rare metals.
Vehicles over the years have got bigger, mainly from a safety point of view with crumple zones but also caused from market trends, SUV's have taken over, ford and others have dropped the more "traditional" saloons and all selling suv's in a range of sizes. Audi and Merc both sell SUV versions, which is pretty much the whole of their range, ford dropped the Mondeo for a suv, e mustang is a suv and the revival of the Capri is apparently also a bloated suv
Large "Tesla" style screens are here to stay, they do influence sales
Forcing people to buy small electrics or use taxis just won't work

interesting little article I read recently .. Joe Blogs, company director ... pretty real world I thought

" How long do you think the Electric Vehicle delusion will last for?

My delusion lasted 12 months. Owned one, have proper charge point fitted at my house. If you have your own charge point and only drive to the limit of your range all the time then it is great and makes sense to own one subject to you can afford to purchase and run one.
They are effortless and a pleasure to drive and have driven a few. I do a lot of trips within range but a few times a year i do long runs, lots of which are not on motorways and at the moment UK is not ready.
There are few chargers off motorways and when you go out of your way to go to it there are other people waiting or as has happened to me the things are shut down due to technical problems.
Now to further the problems my insurance almost doubled on renewal for the electric unlike my other cars where there was a minimal increase. I have full no-claims over 25 years and clean licence.
Another aspect is that to use public chargers you will have to pay a subscription fee even Tesla if you want Premium.
In edit to clarify I have to state that you don't need to pay for apps to charge your vehicle unless you want premium apps. However you need several apps.
I had several subscriptions so I can use most public chargers, that was totalling up to £30+ per month or so.
Also charging prices away from home are going up all the time so the benefit is being eroded there too.
My final gripe is tablet driving is not my scene and I absolutely hate it.
I have recently sold mine at a great loss and purchased a Lexus NX 450+Takumi which has a electric only range of 40–50miles so for most of my time I can charge at home and just use electric ... and when on long journeys I just use it as hybrid.
I then cruise in comfort without any anxieties. Give me a nudge when the world gets real.

Edit: I have altered my app cost down to £ 30+ as it was a little less than £40 and added a statement to clarify that you do not have to pay for basic apps if you do not require premium.

On a footnote: I have been sitting in some heavy traffic recently probably enhanced by Christmas and looking at the hundreds of cars around me and just wondering what on earth will happen when all these cars-and more are electric?
WOW we need lots of turbines and charging points. I know there is work being done on solid state batteries, but not that many power stations. Is this sustainable to reach the targets set? "

 

[CPS]

Had a guy in a Tesla follow us around rural Ireland last week that was interesting...

 

[Brendan]

interesting little article I read recently .. Joe Blogs, company director ... pretty real world I thought

" How long do you think the Electric Vehicle delusion will last for?

My delusion lasted 12 months. Owned one, have proper charge point fitted at my house. If you have your own charge point and only drive to the limit of your range all the time then it is great and makes sense to own one subject to you can afford to purchase and run one.
They are effortless and a pleasure to drive and have driven a few. I do a lot of trips within range but a few times a year i do long runs, lots of which are not on motorways and at the moment UK is not ready.
There are few chargers off motorways and when you go out of your way to go to it there are other people waiting or as has happened to me the things are shut down due to technical problems.
Now to further the problems my insurance almost doubled on renewal for the electric unlike my other cars where there was a minimal increase. I have full no-claims over 25 years and clean licence.
Another aspect is that to use public chargers you will have to pay a subscription fee even Tesla if you want Premium.
In edit to clarify I have to state that you don't need to pay for apps to charge your vehicle unless you want premium apps. However you need several apps.
I had several subscriptions so I can use most public chargers, that was totalling up to £30+ per month or so.
Also charging prices away from home are going up all the time so the benefit is being eroded there too.
My final gripe is tablet driving is not my scene and I absolutely hate it.
I have recently sold mine at a great loss and purchased a Lexus NX 450+Takumi which has a electric only range of 40–50miles so for most of my time I can charge at home and just use electric ... and when on long journeys I just use it as hybrid.
I then cruise in comfort without any anxieties. Give me a nudge when the world gets real.

Edit: I have altered my app cost down to £ 30+ as it was a little less than £40 and added a statement to clarify that you do not have to pay for basic apps if you do not require premium.

On a footnote: I have been sitting in some heavy traffic recently probably enhanced by Christmas and looking at the hundreds of cars around me and just wondering what on earth will happen when all these cars-and more are electric?
WOW we need lots of turbines and charging points. I know there is work being done on solid state batteries, but not that many power stations. Is this sustainable to reach the targets set? "

What everyone seems to gloss over, is where are they going to get the power from. We just don't have
A the power supply
B the infrastructure
Charging electric cars over the year is at least double what a household would use. Currently there is companies like ylem who generate additional on demand power for the grid at peak times, which works when people flick their kettle on for ad breaks for coronation street/sporting events/everyone turning their oven on.
How is the grid going to cope if there is a load of fast chargers suddenly being hooked up when people get home from work

 

[Grahams]

What everyone seems to gloss over, is where are they going to get the power from.
How is the grid going to cope if there is a load of fast chargers suddenly being hooked up when people get home from work

I guess that is why they are trying to get everyone signed up to smart meters. I understand you can not get a home charger installed without converting to a smart meter.
They can then decide who deserves to be allowed to charge their car or cook supper (because gas, solid fuel etc will be banned). Reminds me of the Chinese social credit system.

 

[TiltyShaun]

Smart meters…..new build that we are doing had the meters fitted yesterday. The fitter said it is all good and connecting. I asked if he was surprised by that…….about 30-40% don’t work out of the box was his reply!!!
WTF!!!!

 

[Lancs Lad]

I guess that is why they are trying to get everyone signed up to smart meters. I understand you can not get a home charger installed without converting to a smart meter.
They can then decide who deserves to be allowed to charge their car or cook supper (because gas, solid fuel etc will be banned). Reminds me of the Chinese social credit system.

No that's not correct , at least not our area, you are supposed to notify the DNO before installation and yes I've been told they are refusing some installs now as there's not sufficient supply . Mainly terraces and such like.
Not trying to be funny but I've had smart meters for years...not a big deal and if you ever worried about monitoring it's a 10 second job to make them not smart

 

[V8Druid]

Smart meters…..new build that we are doing had the meters fitted yesterday. The fitter said it is all good and connecting. I asked if he was surprised by that…….about 30-40% don’t work out of the box was his reply!!!
WTF!!!!

as far as I understand it, they can't compel you to have a smart meter and can insist on a std 'bobby basic' job

 

[TiltyShaun]

as far as I understand it, they can't compel you to have a smart meter and can insist on a std 'bobby basic' job

Not to worried on this one as it will be the tenant, not me, feeding it!!

 

[Lancs Lad]

'My electric Jaguar had no brakes and hit 90mph - I thought I was going to die'

"It felt like Grand Theft Auto"

www.lancs.live

 

[craig]

'My electric Jaguar had no brakes and hit 90mph - I thought I was going to die'

"It felt like Grand Theft Auto"

www.lancs.live

Heard it on the radio yesterday.
Maybe he tripped a speed camera and thought this is a good get out

 

[bobthebuilder]

'My electric Jaguar had no brakes and hit 90mph - I thought I was going to die'

"It felt like Grand Theft Auto"

www.lancs.live

turn it off ?

 

[6feetdown]

'My electric Jaguar had no brakes and hit 90mph - I thought I was going to die'

"It felt like Grand Theft Auto"

www.lancs.live

It happened to him before! I remember 1 last year could be same guy it had 7 or 8 pages of faults when they plugged diagnostic in

 

[V8Druid]

I remember some guy having to phone the plod and they put a vehicle in front of his to stop it .. couldn't turn it off and wouldn't slow down, probably 6-8 months ago

 

[V8Druid]

It happened to him before! I remember 1 last year could be same guy it had 7 or 8 pages of faults when they plugged diagnostic in

what're the chances ??? lightning striking twice

 

[V8Druid]

" I've never seen any technology advance faster than this." The chip shortage may be behind us, but AI and EVs are expanding at such a rapacious rate that the world will face supply crunches in electricity and transformers next year, says Elon Musk "

Elon Musk: AI will run out of electricity and transformers in 2025

"I've never seen any technology advance faster than this." The chip shortage may be behind us, but AI and EVs are expanding at such a rapacious rate that the world will face supply crunches in electricity and transformers next year, says Elon Musk.

newatlas.com

 

[topkit]

I was talking to a chap yesterday who was telling me that some of the older electric cars are now having problems because the AP's built into them are now becoming out of date, So I suppose the manufacturers will have the owners by the short and curlies as the will be charging the owners for updates if they are even available. There are going to be alot more chargeable extras on these glorified milk floats in the future-those that think its going to be cheap motoring are in for a Shock in more ways than one!

 

[Smiffy]

I was talking to a chap yesterday who was telling me that some of the older electric cars are now having problems because the AP's built into them are now becoming out of date, So I suppose the manufacturers will have the owners by the short and curlies as the will be charging the owners for updates if they are even available. There are going to be alot more chargeable extras on these glorified milk floats in the future-those that think its going to be cheap motoring are in for a Shock in more ways than one!

To be fair I don't think they are alone. All cars built in the last few years have the potential to be subscription based

 

[Brendan]

To be fair I don't think they are alone. All cars built in the last few years have the potential to be subscription based

BMW already doing it with heated seats and probably other extras. Pay per month or a big lifetime cost

 

[Lancs Lad]

'My electric Jaguar had no brakes and hit 90mph - I thought I was going to die'

"It felt like Grand Theft Auto"

www.lancs.live

Ello ello no2 in a week .

Craig Phillips: TV star shaken after Jaguar brakes fail during drive

Craig Phillips describes "terrifying feeling" when brakes failed on his Jaguar I-Pace

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[DaveDCB]

To be fair I don't think they are alone. All cars built in the last few years have the potential to be subscription based

Everything seems to be subscription based these days, get folk signed up to stuff they don’t really need,then they forget about it but keep on paying! such a money spinner