Buying and renovating a Benford TT3000 dumper

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LKSF

Pennine Hillbilly
It's going to have to stay down there like a monument to my stupidity until we have a couple of weeks of dry weather.
Probably Summer then 🙈
 
Mick-the-fitter

Mick-the-fitter

It’s what I do!
Those axles were favourite for wrecking diffs, which one turned the wheels back or front?
 
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LKSF

Pennine Hillbilly
Those axles were favourite for wrecking diffs, which one turned the wheels back or front?
One of each - one at the front and one at the rear dependent on which one has the least amount of grip. It's got a bit more muddy down there than I realised during the last few days, but I thought (was told) it would have a bit more grip than that. Surprised it's got normal open diffs.
Ironically I was tipping some gravel into a drainage trench to improve things 🙈
 
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Mick-the-fitter

Mick-the-fitter

It’s what I do!
👍🏻One at the back one at the front, not good that you got stuck but it would mean both your diffs are good, is she cracking when you start? Just copper rings if I remember! Some of the other lads might remember for sure!
 
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LKSF

Pennine Hillbilly
I didn't think the 803 had the strength or grip to pull it out, but to be fair to it it didn't struggle at all. I took the O/H down with me, but I don't think she even found reverse on the dumper before i'd dragged it back and out of the mire.
Man and machines in perfect harmony, 3 antiques working together.

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Thanks for all your help so far :)
 
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Mogman

Mogman

What man as done, man can do, what never has,maybe
I didn't think the 803 had the strength or grip to pull it out, but to be fair to it it didn't struggle at all. I took O/H down with me
, but I don't think she even found reverse on the dumper before i'd dragged it back and out of the mire.
Man and machines in perfect harmony, 3 antiques working together.

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Thanks for all your help so far :)
bit harsh on Mrs LKSF🤔😂😂
 
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LKSF

Pennine Hillbilly
Took the starter off today, it's not in good condition so is the cause of the starting issues. It fell to bits as I was taking it apart, wires broken, soldered joints falling off and broken springs etc.

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Mick-the-fitter

Mick-the-fitter

It’s what I do!
Looking at some of your earlier pics I did think that the dumper had been semi submerged in water, you need to check the oil in those axles and drop box!
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Gearbox top probably has no rubber gator over the top of the box around the base of the lever!
it'd split I think Mick
I'm pretty sure rain water has run down the gearlever, under the gaiter, into the gearbox and mixed with the oil. Mmmm, lovely.

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What has happened is the rubbery plastic plastic gaiter shroud cover thingy has gone hard over the years, some rust has formed under it and pushed it away from the gearstick which passes through it. Water has then been able to run down, pass through and into the 'box. I put some gasket sealant around the collar of the gaiter to stop this from happening again for now.
I had to refill and flush it several times, the old hydraulic oil was good for this. What made it harder was stupidly the drain plug is not right at the bottom.
 
Mick-the-fitter

Mick-the-fitter

It’s what I do!
That’s a 4 speed box isn’t it? Bolts 7/16” have been off at some point, who knows how much rain went in while the top was off?
 
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LKSF

Pennine Hillbilly
The starter motor was past its best. I could have tried to repair it, but I don't think it would have been reliable or worth it. Me and electrics don't go well together either, time for a new one.
The starter for these is a Lucas 54 24 25 14, but that number doesn't bring up many possibilities. I did however find a cross reference to a LRS 155, this is the number you want, it opens up a whole load of choices. £125 inc next day delivery, that'll do.

When you're designing a dumper it's a good idea to run the downpipe right where the starter needs to come out. Don't put it to the left or the right to make it easy, straight down the middle is best.

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Then use steel bolts which will rust in solid

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Don't put a shield over it, let it get the maximum amount of rain so it corrodes down to the thickness of a piece of foil.
So when someone eases it to one side to get the starter out it just tears.

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I'm really looking forward to building a new exhaust, but that aside it now turns over and fires up much quicker than my van which is about 30yrs it's junior.

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We celebrated being mobile again by putting the bin out:

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In other news I flipped the skip up and went at that stuck ram bolt like a pissed up Tiger Woods with a sledgehammer, it gave up and slid across 👌
The bottom one isn't playing though (I can't get a good swing at it down there). I'll try some more, but might have to fall back onto the earlier suggestion of leaving the lower half on and taking the piston out, we'll see.
Fitted some new mudflaps and a steering wheel spinney thing. Still haven't sorted the BMC out, but am on it soon.
 
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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
The starter motor was past its best. I could have tried to repair it, but I don't think it would have been reliable or worth it. Me and electrics don't go well together either, time for a new one.
The starter for these is a Lucas 54 24 25 14, but that number doesn't bring up many possibilities. I did however find a cross reference to a LRS 155, this is the number you want, it opens up a whole load of choices. £125 inc next day delivery, that'll do.

When you're designing a dumper it's a good idea to run the downpipe right where the starter needs to come out. Don't put it to the left or the right, straight down the middle is best.

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Then use steel bolts which will rust in solid

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Don't put a shield over it, let it get the maximum amount of rain so it corrodes down to the thickness of a piece of foil.
So when someone eases it to one side to get the starter out it just tears.

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I'm really looking forward to building a new exhaust, but that aside it now turns over and fires up much quicker than my van which is about 30yrs it's junior.

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We celebrated being mobile again by putting the bin out:

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In other news I flipped the skip up and went at that stuck ram bolt like Tiger Woods with a sledgehammer, it gave up and slid across 👌
The bottom one isn't playing though (I can't get a good swing at it down there). I'll try some more, but might have to fall back onto the earlier suggestion of leaving the lower half on and taking the piston out, we'll see.
Fitted some new mudflaps and a steering wheel spinney thing. Still haven't sorted the BMC out, but am on it soon.
I'd suggest putting the main live eye onto the post first, followed by the lighter eye terminals, spring washer and nut ..... you really want the best surface area contact between that live cable and the nut under it, as possible ... don't really want the current flowing, either through those thin, flimsy eyes, or the spring washer ;)

on the exhaust manifold bolt front .... get it all hot, get a nice drift and give the heads a good couple of firm, accurate, clouts ... drive a nice tight socket onto the heads and give them a gently try off/on/off a little at a time .... you might be pleasantly surprised, but don't try it without shocking the beejeezus out of the threads first, with a few well delivered hammer blows ....... and don't get over-enthused and bust the manifold ;)
 
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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Oh and I'd also slide a good thick piece of rubber hose over that live cable, while you have it off again, to insulate it from that chassis edge, which'll wear through the plastic insulation on it PDQ :oops:
 
Mick-the-fitter

Mick-the-fitter

It’s what I do!
It does keep the starter nice and warm though, good old British engineering😊
 
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LKSF

Pennine Hillbilly
The manifold will get some kind of repair wrap around it for now, it's more annoying than stopping the machine from working properly or safely. Will wait until I see a replacement for reasonable money, or just bite the bullet one day and make one.

I think trapping those flimsy eye things under the stronger one was a good move, one of them is too big anyhow. It's a stronger way of doing it (the nut and washer will tear them) and once it's all tightened up together becomes one mass with the current going through the whole thing.
The way is starts is amazing though to say it has no fancy electrics or glowplugs so it must be doing the job. It doesn't even turn over once or twice, just fires straight up.
Agree on that cable going over the chassis member though, accident waiting to happen so will sort it.

Weather permitting head gasket next as it's making a right row blowing out of there, not to mention overfuelling and losing power.
Seals to bucket ram.
Still haven't sent the BMC off for relining and new seals. I think it's shared with an old British car, but it's finding out which one that's the problem.
 
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