4x4 pickups or iveco's that will tow 3.5 ton

[DaveDCB]

GTW Is often over looked, in fact I’d say 99% of the time!
Shame it’s not advertised better... yeah you can pull 3500kg but make sure you have a s**t in the morning!!!

 

[fred]

disco 3 and 4 are also 7 ton train. The commercial has a lot of load space.

 

[GazCro]

disco 3 and 4 are also 7 ton train. The commercial has a lot of load space.

Not that handy to get digger buckets and breakers in though.

 

[fred]

commercial can take them.

At end of the day its a compromise, if you want a car not a pickup/van then they have to be made.

 

[JD450A]

pretty civilized could carry on to the job don't go over 30mph and stay off the motorway.

I've got to be honest, as harsh as it sounds this is exactly the reason people bend the law.

If I was stopped at 10% overload (1.5t over) with the lorry, I would without a doubt be keelhauled and forced to unload there and then to get my weight down.

Strange isn't it how a 15t lorry with actual design weights to carry 17t would result in that reaction, but a pickup and trailer which is well over its design weight is fine to carry on provided you trundle along at 30.....

Not knocking you Ant at all..... But the mix and match policing fucks me off.

 

[GazCro]

I've got to be honest, as harsh as it sounds this is exactly the reason people bend the law.

If I was stopped at 10% overload (1.5t over) with the lorry, I would without a doubt be keelhauled and forced to unload there and then to get my weight down.

Strange isn't it how a 15t lorry with actual design weights to carry 17t would result in that reaction, but a pickup and trailer which is well over its design weight is fine to carry on provided you trundle along at 30.....

Not knocking you Ant at all..... But the mix and match policing fucks me off.

Tbh it also highlights what a pi** take pickups and 3.5 ton towing is. They have all joined in advertising it but done nothing to the vehicles hence low train weight.

 

[GazCro]

commercial can take them.

At end of the day its a compromise, if you want a car not a pickup/van then they have to be made.

You could put them on back seats if you want point is there not easy to load and unload like with pickup. Heavier vehicle to begin with though and don't carry a ton?

 

[Antony Holmes]

I've got to be honest, as harsh as it sounds this is exactly the reason people bend the law.

If I was stopped at 10% overload (1.5t over) with the lorry, I would without a doubt be keelhauled and forced to unload there and then to get my weight down.

Strange isn't it how a 15t lorry with actual design weights to carry 17t would result in that reaction, but a pickup and trailer which is well over its design weight is fine to carry on provided you trundle along at 30.....

Not knocking you Ant at all..... But the mix and match policing fucks me off.

I know what you mean I can only assume that,everything else was spot on trailer, straps ect and I was very much sorry and thanks for your help. I think some people are a bit cheaky and that would wind any of us up.

 

[Jimbo69]

My mate got stopped with his Sprinter double cab tipper the other week, weighed in at 5 tonne. The best bit was they made him unload the slabs he had in the car park at the harbour where he weighed them, then got a £100 fine in the post a week later from the owners of the car park

 

[GazCro]

My mate got stopped with his Sprinter double cab tipper the other week, weighed in at 5 tonne. The best bit was they made him unload the slabs he had in the car park at the harbour where he weighed them, then got a £100 fine in the post a week later from the owners of the car park

Be hoped they don't start weighing transit tippers i don't think ive ever seen one that isn't overloaded.

 

[Antony Holmes]

I would go down the 7.5 ton lorry route but all that paperwork and stress puts me off . Or am I worrying too much about that I only want to move my own kit

 

[Antony Holmes]

Be hoped they don't start weighing transit tippers i don't think ive ever seen one that isn't overloaded.

Spoke to a rep yesterday and most transits are 6000kg train weight as well

 

[GazCro]

Spoke to a rep yesterday and most transits are 6000kg train weight as well

There not much more than a ton in the back either but about 3 seems normal

 

[Jimbo69]

Be hoped they don't start weighing transit tippers i don't think ive ever seen one that isn't overloaded.

It doesn’t take much, his Sprinter only has a payload of 700kg.

 

[JD450A]

I would go down the 7.5 ton lorry route but all that paperwork and stress puts me off . Or am I worrying too much about that I only want to move my own kit

Worrying too much.

Bang in a application for a restricted license in 12 weekly checks due to lack of milage. You will have to get a maintenance contract signed but a 7.5t tipper will change the way you work. And provided your within 100k from base your likely tacho exempt

 

[Routy56]

well got a pull yesterday by our friends in blue " best follow us to the weigh bridge" well to cut a long story I was over weight to be fair my Kx27-4 with 3 buckets grab land rake and breaker just to say Isuzu d-max maxim train weight of 6000kg dose not give you a lot to play with this was one of the days only a few tools in the van no wacker or generator no cement or bags of sand the moral of this story is to be a wear of the weight of my kit. may be time to change my truck.

This is a very relevant and timely reminder for us guys towing with a pickup truck
Drag my mini around on a 3500kg Ifor behind a Navara....

This leaves loads of room for buckets, breaker and stuff to do the job.
Trailer weighs in at 985kg. Sometimes come close to the limit for the trailer
So the Navara comes in at with a kerbside weight of about 2135kg and a GTW of 6000kgs

This information is on the right hand A pillar
Doing the math, if I am towing 3500kg, it leaves me about no more than 365kgs in the Navara.
Remember, that's me, the apprentice, my lunch box and wallet

Fortunately, I usually run up the road at well under 3000kg for the trailer.
Then in the Navara, I've usually got a few hand tools, CAT and Genny, Laser and string lines etc.
So at a guess the Navara is about 2500kg making me well under the GTW.
And that's the big thing guys, we all use experience and common sense.
Next time I'm out and out I'll pop it on a local weigh bridge

 

[Routy56]

disco 3 and 4 are also 7 ton train. The commercial has a lot of load space.

Started off running with a Disco 3 base manual, then very nice Disco 3 HSE with a remap
Keep all the heavy shitty crap in the trailer

 

[Routy56]

Worrying too much.

Bang in a application for a restricted license in 12 weekly checks due to lack of milage. You will have to get a maintenance contract signed but a 7.5t tipper will change the way you work. And provided your within 100k from base your likely tacho exempt

This advice is spot on Rory
There's a fella and his son just up the road who has been doing it for years.
He uses this set up. You may be a crazy bugger, but you know yer stuff buddy

 

[JD450A]

This advice is spot on Rory
There's a fella and his son just up the road who has been doing it for years.
He uses this set up. You may be a crazy bugger, but you know yer stuff buddy

If your sly enough you can do the 12 weekly's yourself.... not much to them bar a brake test and a good visual inspection of the lorry..... Doing Low mileage you can even get away with a road test for the brakes (they hate it but not much they can do about it). I would however recommend to anyone that it's better just to have a maintenance provider, Buck stops with them if there is a issue in a accident then!

Remember, whilst they will be more stringent if stopped by the roadside. Court is where battles are won and lost. "I changed to a lorry as I am within my gross weight by 1t and I was 800kgs overweight with my previous pickup and trailer" Will set the groundwork for a decent argument about any other paperwork. As long as your trying to do the right thing they have to try to help you!

 

[Russell]

This is a very relevant and timely reminder for us guys towing with a pickup truck
Drag my mini around on a 3500kg Ifor behind a Navara....
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This leaves loads of room for buckets, breaker and stuff to do the job.
Trailer weighs in at 985kg. Sometimes come close to the limit for the trailer
So the Navara comes in at with a kerbside weight of about 2135kg and a GTW of 6000kgs
View attachment 15949
This information is on the right hand A pillar
Doing the math, if I am towing 3500kg, it leaves me about no more than 365kgs in the Navara.
Remember, that's me, the apprentice, my lunch box and wallet

Fortunately, I usually run up the road at well under 3000kg for the trailer.
Then in the Navara, I've usually got a few hand tools, CAT and Genny, Laser and string lines etc.
So at a guess the Navara is about 2500kg making me well under the GTW.
And that's the big thing guys, we all use experience and common sense.
Next time I'm out and out I'll pop it on a local weigh bridge

That's surprising, my rangerover is 6600kg train weight