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Monkeybusiness
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Your heating bill would surely be a lot more expensive if you changed over to red though wouldn’t it?
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
aye .... but don't fancy the cost of 230l of white every time I fill the 'Drema (or dumper/genny/whatever)
.. would be last resort if i can't keep access to cherry
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Monkeybusiness
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Do you use enough red for it to be a deal-breaker? I don’t like the thought of paying pump prices across the board but I think it’s just going to be something we have to accept unfortunately.aye .... but don't fancy the cost of 230l of white every time I fill the 'Drema (or dumper/genny/whatever)
GazCro
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Quite funny this thread when you think about. I don't think for one minute the biggest plus for getting rid of cherry is the extra tax the govt is gonna claw in. But the other thing is if we have to pay a higher price for fuel we'll be more inclined to look for efficiency savings or even to look into greener alternatives which may in turn drive machinery manufacturers down that route quicker. At the end of the day govt have said their gonna cut our emissions by likely unrealistic levels the best way to do this is pick on sectors which can in theory pass the cost on.
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Smiffy
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Or you could use the yank plan and think if it's the same price to run then it may aswell be V8
craig
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That`s the main reason for bringing it in, reducing emissions. Extra tax is a bonus
, they know your unlikely to be able to change straight away.HVO will be the quick answer, waiting to see how its going to look price wise, in the mean time I`m telling regular customers to expect price rises next April just to cover the fuel cost.
At the current prices around it will be £20 ish per day for the sweepers.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
it's a good Q .... will take a look see what I've spent / used litre-age-wise, over the last 12 months or so and see how it stacks up (if I have to), but I resent paying VED on fuel for things that never see a road ... pay enough now for vehicles that do very little mileage. Running a genny on white is just taking the p*ss
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
you can guarantee once red is difficult to access HVO will be taxed at the same level as white, or maybe just slightly less ... they will not want to lose out on their newly imposed windfallThat`s the main reason for bringing it in, reducing emissions. Extra tax is a bonus
HVO will be the quick answer, waiting to see how its going to look price wise, in the mean time I`m telling regular customers to expect price rises next April just to cover the fuel cost.
At the current prices around it will be £20 ish per day for the sweepers.
GazCro
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Need to stop calling it VED imho it's just tax nowit's a good Q .... will take a look see what I've spent / used litre-age-wise, over the last 12 months or so and see how it stacks up (if I have to), but I resent paying VED on fuel for things that never see a road ... pay enough now for vehicles that do very little mileage. Running a genny on white is just taking the p*ss
craig
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I got a feeling it already is
, its one of the questions I asked my supplier, they where not that familiar with it when I asked, hopefully now a couple of months later they may have some answers.Just thinking about it while typing this, what colour would it be?
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Know where you're coming from but ... it's an excise duty levied on road going vehicles supposedly to maintain and construct the infrastructure they use ... gonna have a ****ing job driving into town sat on the roof of me genny ... just wanted to emphasise the piss take
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
James @Shovelhands ? ... 's why i asked him earlier for some more info on what he's using as assume it's along these linesI got a feeling it already is
Just thinking about it while typing this, what colour would it be?
some of the alternatives are dearer than white/DERV
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
read somewhere a while ago that new builds could not get a gas connection as the network can't support any more demand and has been the case for a while .. could you confirm or deny that Matt ?Number 1 question I’m asked when someone’s boiler goes wrong....”aren’t they getting rid of gas”
Can’t see them shutting a nationwide network of pipelines and supplies to a big percentage of properties. Suspect Hydrogen will be the next step.
One I fitted last week...45kw Combi
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tha's a lorra Kw out of that
GazCro
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Did 4 new builds last year (all on same site) all went onto gas. Might have been passed building regs a while before mind. I think building regs work on a bit of a points basis. Windows are a killer for energy efficiency so if you build a place with loads of glass you have to make up for it elsewhere with more renewables. It's partly why every new build has solar panels on the roof.read somewhere a while ago that new builds could not get a gas connection as the network can't support any more demand and has been the case for a while .. could you confirm or deny that Matt ?
tha's a lorra Kw out of that
GazCro
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I've just noticed via faceache that my fuel supplier now has hvo so i might give them a ring out of interest see what i can learn.
Giles
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Just get an old boiler in 1 container never use it but have a tank for itaye .... but don't fancy the cost of 230l of white every time I fill the 'Drema (or dumper/genny/whatever)
pettsy
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read somewhere a while ago that new builds could not get a gas connection as the network can't support any more demand and has been the case for a while .. could you confirm or deny that Matt ?
tha's a lorra Kw out of that
Not something I’ve heard tbh. I had gas connected to my own house (not new build) recently and couldn’t believe how cheap it was!
First 45kw I’ve fitted, it does need a hell of a gas supply! Theres also a 50kw option available.
GazCro
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45 and 50kw combis imo are one highly inefficient way of making hot water, if there's space available an unvented cylinder surely must be far cheaper to run long term. I bet a lot fitted are restricted by the gas supply, I've seen a lot of combis with inadequate gas pipework as is.
pettsy
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I’ve never done the figures to compare, but don’t see how heating up a large unvented cylinder regardless of useage every day can be more efficient than hot water on demand. This property had an old large floor mounted storage combi, and customer didn’t want to lose any space by going back to having an uv cylinder. These particular Worcester 35/45/50kw combis all have same heating output of 35kw so extra is purely on hot water. Gave customer the options and they went for the middle. Gas supply is a big problem for the bigger boilers, especially when the feed from the road has been replaced and inserted inside the old one with only a 20mm pipe.
GazCro
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The way I've always looked at it is if you can heat a 200 litre unvented cylinder in for arguments sake 30 mins with a likely heat output from boiler when you factor in pipework etc of probably 20kw, how long would the 45/50kw combi take to produce that amount of water (and not at 45deg temp rise which is how their figures work). Modern insulated cylinders have v minimal heat loss during a day if unused so i don't see storing water as the big loser it once was. Just seems to me putting even more kw into diverter valves heat exchangers etc is minimal extra for quite a lot more in.
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