Red diesel.....

[TiltyShaun]

How much land do you need to be farm And still buy red? Or is it just holding number etc? We recently sold 4 acres taking us down to 12 at yard and think we’ve lost our holding number but mrs has 15 acres in Hereford rented out for grazing. Might try get us a holding number

Holding number is issued to anyone wanting to keep livestock. Nothing to do with size of plot.

 

[V8Druid]

Keep getting generators even though you've got your own that's a benefit.

that's not a benefit ... still have to pay for the leccy and they're duty bound to supply me with leccy 24/365

 

[V8Druid]

Small holding isn't the same as agri when it comes to buildings etc. I'm sure with planning etc for ag you need 5 hectares and then i think to prove a need so you'd need to have some sheep or livestock already. I've heard of a few people who have either claimed to have been renting land to get the area up or to have been helping local farmer at weekends and so have a share in 20 sheep.

the 5 Ha applies to the 28 day notice for equipment/feed/etc. storage shed erection (BUT NOT STOCK HOUSING) and yes - can be rented land.... as a registered small holding I understand you're allowed 1800ft2 with out any planning requirement (60 x 30 / 45 x 40ft) for equipment or stock

 

[Lancs Lad]

the 5 Ha applies to the 28 day notice for equipment/feed/etc. storage shed erection (BUT NOT STOCK HOUSING) and yes - can be rented land.... as a registered small holding I understand you're allowed 1800ft2 with out any planning requirement (60 x 30 / 45 x 40ft) for equipment or stock

Think permitted development is minimum size isn't it? My 2 acres was too small. But it'll do for ag and red still then

 

[Shovelhands]

I’ve not bought Red for a few years now, never had any issues ourselves, but 2-3 years ago there was major agro round here with shite fuel, so we stopped buying actual Red. We chose to switch to GTL instead and that’s been a good choice I think. And is apparently now a compliant alternative.

 

[V8Druid]

Think permitted development is minimum size isn't it? My 2 acres was too small. But it'll do for ag and red still then

depends on what PD you're going for... if using the 28 day notice, on 5Ha plus, then yes, but that allows for a BIG shed area, but not for animals - gear only ... pretty sure that the 'up to 1800ft2' is a right for a small holder I did look into it some time ago .... obtaining small holder status can be a faff and be pretty hit and miss though
" If you're constructing a barn on your land solely for agricultural use and the land is 0.5 hectares or more, you may be able to build without the need for planning permission. 24 May 2021"

this is an interesting little read
https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/busi...ldings-know-your-permitted-development-rights

 

[bobthebuilder]

How much land do you need to be farm And still buy red? Or is it just holding number etc? We recently sold 4 acres taking us down to 12 at yard and think we’ve lost our holding number but mrs has 15 acres in Hereford rented out for grazing. Might try get us a holding number

have asked that in another forum ,nobody could answer it definitivly

 

[Lancs Lad]

have asked that in another forum ,nobody could answer it definitivly

Come to similar conclusion...guess it'll come down to if they will sell it to you...

 

[Canal Navvy]

that's not a benefit ... still have to pay for the leccy and they're duty bound to supply me with leccy 24/365

A debatable benefit when you're a green vegan hippy who's made good from wind energy and they plonk one of those in the grounds of your Fort

 

[craig]

About supply, you need to speak to your fuel suppliers apparently the put your business type on a register (@V8Druid will probably know) I guess this could have a bearing on future supply.

 

[Lancs Lad]

About supply, you need to speak to your fuel suppliers apparently the put your business type on a register (@V8Druid will probably know) I guess this could have a bearing on future supply.

Wonder about the pumps? I often grab a few 25Ls from the pump at our bunker site... Never batted an eyelid before...often wondered about the "other lot" with their car loads of cherry in 25Ls...no kidding I saw one of them Jap import people carriers absolutely rammed with cherry cans...must have been few hundred litres in there...complete with shiny bits hanging down from the rear view mirror..

 

[craig]

Wonder about the pumps? I often grab a few 25Ls from the pump at our bunker site... Never batted an eyelid before...often wondered about the "other lot" with their car loads of cherry in 25Ls...no kidding I saw one of them Jap import people carriers absolutely rammed with cherry cans...must have been few hundred litres in there...complete with shiny bits hanging down from the rear view mirror..

No idea. All I know is, my supplier called me a few weeks back, about the changes and asking about my uses for it, told them my sweepers will be clear cut, white for both donkey and truck engines, plant could be either depending on work being carried out, and I would still be ordering some (less) for the tractors here and ag work. They said they would change my business use to agri on the `register` from transport (probably why I had a visit in the past )

 

[V8Druid]

About supply, you need to speak to your fuel suppliers apparently the put your business type on a register (@V8Druid will probably know) I guess this could have a bearing on future supply.

RDCO reg.s -- Registered Dealer in Controlled Oils .... any sale of over 100 L has to be recorded with full details of the user taken including intended usage ... up to 100L no records required (at present) .... depending on the dealer as to how they 'record' their sales ... legit buyers with all the necessary - due diligence performed .... ppl carrier with 30 cans ... multiple 'cash sales' of up to 100L ... ne records required (a lot less paperwork for the dealer) ... if you want to continue with supplies, I'd suggest anyone wanting to, needs to get themselves 'seen' as being the right sort now ... get yerselves on the monthly returns with a usage of tractor fuel for the coming months, between now and next April. My local bloke knows mine is for me machines and records it as such ...all future purchases will be made against a Zetor reg. no. ... and I will be making sure he does just that on his monthly returns

Annoyingly it's only a few months since I burnt all the reg.s books/paperwork/etc., when i emptied my final paperwork file cab.s

Wonder about the pumps? I often grab a few 25Ls from the pump at our bunker site... Never batted an eyelid before...often wondered about the "other lot" with their car loads of cherry in 25Ls...no kidding I saw one of them Jap import people carriers absolutely rammed with cherry cans...must have been few hundred litres in there...complete with shiny bits hanging down from the rear view mirror..

 

[V8Druid]

Small holding isn't the same as agri when it comes to buildings etc. I'm sure with planning etc for ag you need 5 hectares and then i think to prove a need so you'd need to have some sheep or livestock already. I've heard of a few people who have either claimed to have been renting land to get the area up or to have been helping local farmer at weekends and so have a share in 20 sheep.

one of the bits i read the other night

" How big can I build a barn without planning permission?
If you’re constructing a barn on your land solely for agricultural use and the land is 0.5 hectares or more, you may be able to build without the need for planning permission.

Permitted Development rules for agricultural buildings like barns also state:

• The barn must not be used as a dwelling

• It cannot be the first agricultural construction on the land

• It cannot be more than 75 metres away from principal farm buildings

• I cannot be less than 75 metres from any neighbouring house

• The maximum floor space permitted is 500 square metres

• The maximum height permitted is 12 metres "

and this was also very interesting ....

" Since 2014, if you wish to convert an existing barn outbuilding into a home in England, you can do so under Permitted Development rules in some cases.
In order to convert your barn with no need for planning permission, the building must:

• Have previously been used solely for agricultural purposes

• Have existed since at least March 2013

• Have a total floor space of no more than 465 square metres

If you want to convert an existing barn but your property lies in a national park, conservation area or Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, however, you’ll need to obtain planning permission.

Barn conversions are also subject to ‘Prior Notification’.

This means you must notify any boundary neighbours of your plans, so they have the chance to object.

Under Prior Notification, you must also apply to your local authority to establish whether or not you need approval for issues like transport access, noise impact or flood risks. "

 

[V8Druid]

also .... a little known fact is that you can also apply for and even gain a planning consent on land/property that is not yours ...

a friend had it done to his site once ..
was furious, until I pointed out that Mr X ( a local developer) had just increased the value of his site maybe ten fold, at no cost to himself ...
that brought a smile to his face, especially as there was 'no love lost' between them

 

[hiluxman]

also .... a little known fact is that you can also apply for and even gain a planning consent on land/property that is not yours ...

a friend had it done to his site once ..
was furious, until I pointed out that Mr X ( a local developer) had just increased the value of his site maybe ten fold, at no cost to himself ...
that brought a smile to his face, especially as there was 'no love lost' between them

Yes I've know of that happen too

 

[bobthebuilder]

one of the bits i read the other night

" How big can I build a barn without planning permission?
If you’re constructing a barn on your land solely for agricultural use and the land is 0.5 hectares or more, you may be able to build without the need for planning permission.

Permitted Development rules for agricultural buildings like barns also state:

• The barn must not be used as a dwelling

• It cannot be the first agricultural construction on the land

• It cannot be more than 75 metres away from principal farm buildings

• I cannot be less than 75 metres from any neighbouring house

• The maximum floor space permitted is 500 square metres

• The maximum height permitted is 12 metres "

and this was also very interesting ....

" Since 2014, if you wish to convert an existing barn outbuilding into a home in England, you can do so under Permitted Development rules in some cases.
In order to convert your barn with no need for planning permission, the building must:

• Have previously been used solely for agricultural purposes

• Have existed since at least March 2013

• Have a total floor space of no more than 465 square metres

If you want to convert an existing barn but your property lies in a national park, conservation area or Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, however, you’ll need to obtain planning permission.

Barn conversions are also subject to ‘Prior Notification’.

This means you must notify any boundary neighbours of your plans, so they have the chance to object.

Under Prior Notification, you must also apply to your local authority to establish whether or not you need approval for issues like transport access, noise impact or flood risks. "

no class q in wales

 

[JerryRtilt]

I’ve not bought Red for a few years now, never had any issues ourselves, but 2-3 years ago there was major agro round here with shite fuel, so we stopped buying actual Red. We chose to switch to GTL instead and that’s been a good choice I think. And is apparently now a compliant alternative.

I've been considering changing from red, don't use a huge amount just running a 3t and 8t machines but the problems storing red with the higher bio content and filters clogging, particularly the volvo which uses a very small filter which starts to become restricted after only about 100hrs use, cheap enough to change but would rather just do it at 250h services as i have in the past.
If i'm going to have to change anyway is GTL or HVO a viable alternative to White? not quite ready to go electric or hydrogen yet!

 

[Shovelhands]

I've been considering changing from red, don't use a huge amount just running a 3t and 8t machines but the problems storing red with the higher bio content and filters clogging, particularly the volvo which uses a very small filter which starts to become restricted after only about 100hrs use, cheap enough to change but would rather just do it at 250h services as i have in the past.
If i'm going to have to change anyway is GTL or HVO a viable alternative to White? not quite ready to go electric or hydrogen yet!

It’s a great alternative in my experience. Filters are spotless when changed, not had any issues at all. There’s no downside as far as I can see?
only thing that bothers me on older kit is possibly loosing the natural lubrication in the injector pumps? Considered a shot of oil in the fuel now n again, but not sure it will mix properly? Having said that, it’s caused no issues at all, so maybe I’m worrying about nothing?

 

[V8Druid]

It’s a great alternative in my experience. Filters are spotless when changed, not had any issues at all. There’s no downside as far as I can see?
only thing that bothers me on older kit is possibly loosing the natural lubrication in the injector pumps? Considered a shot of oil in the fuel now n again, but not sure it will mix properly? Having said that, it’s caused no issues at all, so maybe I’m worrying about nothing?

what're the differentials in fuel costs James? ... dearer than white isn't it ??