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[Engcon UK]

a couple of pictures of the fitting of my rototilt to my KX27-4 last year My thanks to Young Plant sales for letting me use one of their workshops to do the change over
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it is a bit scare taking all those bits off a brand new digger but with a little bit (may be more than a little help) of help from Steve at Rototilt UK all was well

Respect - Antony

I hadn't appreciated that you had fitted the ICS/SS10 system yourself. This is a very rare, but as you have demonstrated, not impossible occurrence. A couple of years ago we had a Welsh farmer buy a second hand unit from us and do exactly the same thing. The only help he needed from us was assistance with the calibration.

Well done

Robert

 

[Exmayor]

Ok here's my steelwrist its on a Liebherr 914 compact with joystick steering as well.View attachment 475View attachment 475

 

[V8Druid]

Correct, Graham

In fairness to you, when you built your tilty (sorry - VA-R), you used a development of a control technique that the Swedes developed back in the early days. The first ones were a single button-and-pedal arrangement which gave you tilt or rotate (controlled by the button) with the flow and direction on the pedal. We called this SS1 (literally: Steering System 1). Shortly after this buttons were added to the joysticks (sometimes self-adhesive), which gave you independent control of tilt and rotate simultaneously, with the flow on the pedal. We recently resurrected this for smaller diggers as a simple starter system - it's perfectly usable (as you have ably demonstrated at Druid Central) and, for many that have been brought up to control flow on the pedal, very acceptable. I agree with Ollie that, on the U25 at least, it's a bit tight in the cabin, but that's more a statement about the digger than the system (which is generically known as SS15, BTW)

Robert

Thanks for the kind words Robert .... a question if I may .... your 'new' budget version of SS15 ....
are you using dual acting cetops to control directional flow with a single way way circuit providing the flow from the pedal?
or
one ways and using the pedal to allow/control direction of the flow to tilt/rotate ?

Mine is single acting at the pedal and directional/2 way cetop 3s in the VA-r on a manifold, fed by the pedal ....[ the pedal is my two way rotate circuit at 180 bar .. but I only use the one way ]
It allows me opposite directional control of tilt/rotate/grab simultaneously.
if I'd relied on the pedal for direction any change required, on any action, would result in all of them reversing .... unless used singly
It's a question I'd not thought of before, when Shaun was discussing his install, with me, last year

 

[V8Druid]

Respect - Antony

I hadn't appreciated that you had fitted the ICS/SS10 system yourself. This is a very rare, but as you have demonstrated, not impossible occurrence. A couple of years ago we had a Welsh farmer buy a second hand unit from us and do exactly the same thing. The only help he needed from us was assistance with the calibration.

Well done

Robert

IIRC Stuart - Left Hooker - swapped his system from one machine to another when he updated his 5t Tachi ... another brave piece of plumbing

 

[Engcon UK]

Thanks for the kind words Robert .... a question if I may .... your 'new' budget version of SS15 ....
are you using dual acting cetops to control directional flow with a single way way circuit providing the flow from the pedal?
or
one ways and using the pedal to allow/control direction of the flow to tilt/rotate ?

Mine is single acting at the pedal and directional/2 way cetop 3s in the VA-r on a manifold, fed by the pedal ....[ the pedal is my two way rotate circuit at 180 bar .. but I only use the one way ]
It allows me opposite directional control of tilt/rotate/grab simultaneously.
if I'd relied on the pedal for direction any change required, on any action, would result in all of them reversing .... unless used singly
It's a question I'd not thought of before, when Shaun was discussing his install, with me, last year

We thought about this when we were developing it, Graham.

The tilt and rotate need to be as independent as possible, so the function and direction are controlled by the joysticks. Two buttons on each, for each way direction, with the rate of flow - and therefore speed of movement - controlled by the pedal.

Robert

 

[Antony Holmes]

Respect - Antony

I hadn't appreciated that you had fitted the ICS/SS10 system yourself. This is a very rare, but as you have demonstrated, not impossible occurrence. A couple of years ago we had a Welsh farmer buy a second hand unit from us and do exactly the same thing. The only help he needed from us was assistance with the calibration.

Well done

Robert

Hi Robert
To be Fair i cold not have done this without the help of Stev from Rototilt uk
i striped every thing from my old machine and put that back together and we worked together fitting it on the new KX27-4 him doing the clever stuff me doing the undoing and doing of bolts, drilling of holes, the donkey work i suppose.

It was not planed that way, but as it worked out i am glad we did it that way. I learned a great deal and i am realy happy with the way it is set up.
If i do another change over or even a new install i will do more before i call in the experts.

if you are driving a machine day in and day out you look at stuff and think if that bracket was there or that switch had been put here i now know why it is and what i can do next time to make it even better.

 

[V8Druid]

We thought about this when we were developing it, Graham.

The tilt and rotate need to be as independent as possible, so the function and direction are controlled by the joysticks. Two buttons on each, for each way direction, with the rate of flow - and therefore speed of movement - controlled by the pedal.

Robert

so double acting Cetops and one way on the pedal then ?

I have two for tilt on me right stick and four on me left .. (well six actually, for future proofing, but not found a need/use for t'others yet ) .. for rotate and grab.

would like to use the two spares for steering, but it would require some MAJOR re-plumbing, as the orbital circuit has its own oil supply/pump and although the 180 bar rotation feed is of a suitable pressure, the associated plumbing to tandem the feeds up'd be horrendous ..... would be lovely not to have to take yer hands off the sticks, moving about though

 

[Mogman]

would like to use the two spares for steering, but it would require some MAJOR re-plumbing, as the orbital circuit has its own oil supply/pump and although the 180 bar rotation feed is of a suitable pressure, the associated plumbing to tandem the feeds up'd be horrendous ..... would be lovely not to have to take yer hands off the sticks, moving about though

Not as hard as you think if you didn’t have it proportional could have a couple of restriction valves fitted to slow it down a bit

 

[Left hooker]

Respect - Antony

I hadn't appreciated that you had fitted the ICS/SS10 system yourself. This is a very rare, but as you have demonstrated, not impossible occurrence. A couple of years ago we had a Welsh farmer buy a second hand unit from us and do exactly the same thing. The only help he needed from us was assistance with the calibration.

Well done

Robert

IIRC Stuart - Left Hooker - swapped his system from one machine to another when he updated his 5t Tachi ... another brave piece of plumbing

that is correct graham

 

[TiltyShaun]

And as an early user of this system it was the ability to tilt and rotate than sold it to me. I know it caused a lot of debate on the old forum but I am still very happy with the decision to go down this budget route. I have become a convert to the Engcon revolution. If you go yellow and black you won’t go back!

 

[Exmayor]

so double acting Cetops and one way on the pedal then ?

I have two for tilt on me right stick and four on me left .. (well six actually, for future proofing, but not found a need/use for t'others yet) .. for rotate and grab.

would like to use the two spares for steering, but it would require some MAJOR re-plumbing, as the orbital circuit has its own oil supply/pump and although the 180 bar rotation feed is of a suitable pressure, the associated plumbing to tandem the feeds up'd be horrendous ..... would be lovely not to have to take yer hands off the sticks, moving about though

Graham my Liebherr has joystick steering and it is by far the best leap forward in my eyes, you get used to it reasonably quickly and not having to take your hands off the joysticks is great the view is good too as there is no steering wheel. The steelwrist is a great bit of kit but too have a duck without joystick steering is a no no, the liebherr has got the flow turned down as well so it doesn't stress the tyres or bang it against the axle stops

 

[Komatsu]

the liebherr has got the flow turned down as well so it doesn't stress the tyres or bang it against the axle stops

Surly the control of the roller will determine the speed, so no need to turn the flow down?? I can control mine without having to turn any flows down, have it fast or slow.

 

[V8Druid]

Graham my Liebherr has joystick steering and it is by far the best leap forward in my eyes, you get used to it reasonably quickly and not having to take your hands off the joysticks is great the view is good too as there is no steering wheel. The steelwrist is a great bit of kit but too have a duck without joystick steering is a no no, the liebherr has got the flow turned down as well so it doesn't stress the tyres or bang it against the axle stops

I don't need convincing of the pleasure of not taking yer mitts off the sticks Daz ..... it's actually making it happen I'm scratching my head about

 

[V8Druid]

Not as hard as you think if you didn’t have it proportional could have a couple of restriction valves fitted to slow it down a bit

issue I have Mog is the brakes and steering are run off a separate motor mounted pump ..... to use me pedal to provide flow to the steering rams [which'd be from the main pumps at 180 bar), I'd have to tee into their feeds and I'm not sure WTF that'd do to the orbital or the secondary pump, introducing pressure/oil flow, from the main pumps to those circuits?? it'd effectively be 'back pressuring' the orbital

other way I had thought about doing it, is a 6x2 diverter, to swap the feeds from the orbital to the rams, to the pedal, feeding the steering rams .... again, not sure how the orbital and its circuits'd cope with being dead ended by the 6x2 ... plus, I could use a locking switch for the 6x2 rather than a momentary push button, when I have the VA-r off.
BUT ....
it'd cause me issues when I have the VA-r on ..... as the pedal feeds it, so really need to use a two way cetop and use the two extra buttons on me left stick for steer left/right and again the pedal supplying flow in a single direction.
other problem is the acute shortage of space under the cab floor to fit it all in

Any input from your direction would be gratefully received, as usual

 

[V8Druid]

And as an early user of this system it was the ability to tilt and rotate than sold it to me. I know it caused a lot of debate on the old forum but I am still very happy with the decision to go down this budget route. I have become a convert to the Engcon revolution. If you go yellow and black you won’t go back!

As I said in the "debate" Shaun .... it is still a very usable system .... and 1000% better than none at all ..... plus you only have to train one foot to be smooth, as opposed to two thumbs

 

[Exmayor]

Surly the control of the roller will determine the speed, so no need to turn the flow down?? I can control mine without having to turn any flows down, have it fast or slow.

Your right Ollie the mini joystick is proportional but there is no great speed to it even when you go for max and its "Soft" if that makes sense

 

[Komatsu]

Your right Ollie the mini joystick is proportional but there is no great speed to it even when you go for max and its "Soft" if that makes sense

When you say mini joysticks, i take it that your using the original Liebherr joysticks, with the control on top of them, rather than the steelwrist joysticks with the rollers?

 

[Hydremaduck]

Please let me know

Not noticed any issues when on my Ipad

 

[Hydremaduck]

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it is a bit scare taking all those bits off a brand new digger but with a little bit (may be more than a little help) of help from Steve at Rototilt UK all was well

Fair play and due credit mate, my response is, naw! **ck that, I'll stick to making a mess once its operational, I'll let the experts do the technical stuff

 

[Mogman]

Any input from your direction would be gratefully received, as usual

ok bear with me I would use the right hand lever bucket open/close because you won’t ever need to steer while curling the bucket
So put a 3 way electric valve in each bucket ram pipes then run the pipes to the steering ram (can make the connection on the slew turret) where there is another pair of 3 way solenoid valves, then you will also need one solenoid that will pick up the feed to the obitrol and divert to waste, have all the solenoids connected by relays so they can’t back feed each other, then with a button on the right lever pressed it energies all the solenoids therefore sending the bucket ram oil to the steering ram and letting the obitrol oil to just flow around the system
Anyway that’s how I would do it simple and cheap and easy to control (that’s how Grahams walker steers)