4x4 pickups or iveco's that will tow 3.5 ton

[Monkeybusiness]

Those Mans look smart and would be good compromise for a bit of everything, although when last having a bit of a victor meldrew moment about adblue and sensors I swore going forward we would only buy véhicules I could spanner, and those man trucks will be sensor/adblue/pdf everything , so that leaves you with things like defenders I guess..... yikes

I agree, and they are sensor/bullshit heavy (as everything is nowadays…).
In their defence, they run an extremely common 2l VW engine, so hopefully aren’t too hard to fix. Above that though they are a very comfortable place to sit/drive. I’ve done a bit of spanner on mine and it’s easy peasy compared to s**t-encrusted plant and tractors!

 

[Storrsy]

I'm going older and fixable...the grief I've had over the last 10 or so years has always come down to emissions shite. I've no intrest in ever buying these new things, wet belts, cameras checking your eyes, headlight needs coding in ect ect.

But the other side is I've had 3 land rovers in my time. Can't knock them really but it got to the stage with all 3 that the rust was the killer, felt like constantly chasing tail to keep up with it. My Navara maybe full of emission nonsense but doing any work on it is so much easier not contending with corrosion/leaks/general age related problems all the time. I'd struggle to go back to a landrover now. Plus it tows much better than any of my LRs

 

[Giles]

we had a 130hd was a slow dog of a thing, no thanks for running one of them every day compared to my 262 hp amarok which pulls 5t with ease and in comfort and still capable enough off road and can pick the kids up

will need to change though and looking at a single cab setup with a utility back and having a suv for kids and none work use or maybe disco commercial but hear nothing but problems with them.

new defenders looks like a 50/50 gamble on a £25k engine replacement if out of warranty

a van would suit us but prefer not me driving it

this looks like a good setup

 

[Vinpetrol]

I'm going older and fixable...the grief I've had over the last 10 or so years has always come down to emissions shite. I've no intrest in ever buying these new things, wet belts, cameras checking your eyes, headlight needs coding in ect ect.

I’ve given this some thought as well . The cost of running older easy to maintain kit than running newer stuff . We should do a thread of what are the vehicles that would be worth considering .

 

[Furniss]

I’ve given this some thought as well . The cost of running older easy to maintain kit than running newer stuff . We should do a thread of what are the vehicles that would be worth considering .

yep - agreed
the only trouble ive had with the current merc 19t truck is émission related, thankfully its 2014 so doesn't do limp mode ffs
I reckon
tows 3.5t no emissions shite - powerful enough to do it / parts available and comfy is going to be a short list

 

[Maxus]

From what i can tell there are 2 ways people buy/finance vehicles. You either go new via the PCP/debt route and everything's under warranty and if things go wrong then it's the responsibility of the manufacturer to put right, or you buy outright used (because who's going plunge 40k into a van?) and the responsibility is entirely with the customer.

With these two scenarios there is a very different criteria for vehicle selection, when buying outright, reliability becomes the key consideration because the price of repairs can be extreme. When buying new on finance reliability is almost irrelevant beyond a certain point.

Coming from the manufactures perspective, if most people are going down the finance route the vehicle only really needs to be reliable for the warranty period, build a vehicle that's bullet proof and you end up saturating the market - particularly when it comes to an almost homogeneous product like a van. It would therefore be natural to design obsolescence into vans given the market conditions, and I think this is what we are seeing.

 

[Lancs Lad]

From what i can tell there are 2 ways people buy/finance vehicles. You either go new via the PCP/debt route and everything's under warranty and if things go wrong then it's the responsibility of the manufacturer to put right, or you buy outright used (because who's going plunge 40k into a van?) and the responsibility is entirely with the customer.

With these two scenarios there is a very different criteria for vehicle selection, when buying outright, reliability becomes the key consideration because the price of repairs can be extreme. When buying new on finance reliability is almost irrelevant beyond a certain point.

Coming from the manufactures perspective, if most people are going down the finance route the vehicle only really needs to be reliable for the warranty period, build a vehicle that's bullet proof and you end up saturating the market - particularly when it comes to an almost homogeneous product like a van. It would therefore be natural to design obsolescence into vans given the market conditions, and I think this is what we are seeing.

Absolutely...you'd need your head looking at to run some of these vehicles without a warranty.
Two good mates having issues with rangerover and defender at the moment.
For me I'll be looking at a decent 5+ seater replacement vehicle soon that's hassle free....currently heads in the landcruiser space mainly because of warranty .
Grenadier is still attractive as very much a DIY look after able vehicle...full manuals available...just need price to drop

 

[Maxus]

The other thing i didn't mention was when going pcp/finance I believe most people surrender the vehicle when it's out of warranty, and replace with the newest model. I've never done this, but I'm curious to know how the economics of this strategy compares to buying outright and maintaining/repairing.

 

[Lancs Lad]

The other thing i didn't mention was when going pcp/finance I believe most people surrender the vehicle when it's out of warranty, and replace with the newest model. I've never done this, but I'm curious to know how the economics of this strategy compares to buying outright and maintaining/repairing.

When exchange rates were lower my finance guy used to say difference between contract hire and surrendering and finance lease were about 1k. By time depreciation and faffing about selling it on etc.
Most folk just can't be bothered with the hassle of owning and selling and all usual stuff these days. Big companies just throw it back.

 

[TiltyShaun]

The other thing i didn't mention was when going pcp/finance I believe most people surrender the vehicle when it's out of warranty, and replace with the newest model. I've never done this, but I'm curious to know how the economics of this strategy compares to buying outright and maintaining/repairing.

You pay for the depreciation and financing costs. No cheap way to purchase new!!
My old Iveco might cost me a bit every year come MOT time but still far cheaper than chopping it in and replacing with something newer.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Also worth mentioning...electric. absolutely disasteroua depreciation levels...so hence massive uptick in finance for these. I'd love to see if anyone has ever bought one outright lol

 

[Giles]

I buy mine outright medium used, buy from sytner trade auction as dad still has account from his car dealing days, my amaro had 68k miles so any problems likely happened but still somewhat fresh and cost me 18k plus vat, arse has dropped out the market a bit otherwise its fairly cheap motoring my last one I bought for 17 ran in 6 years did 70k miles and sold it for 14.5 so cost me 2.5k to have for 6 years. hopefully get 12 for mine so bit more this time rd but still less than a £1k a year is fairly cheap for work horse of the business.

just couldn't face a new one on pcp etc with limited mileage and any dent etc costing me money etc

 

[Lancs Lad]

I buy mine outright medium used, buy from sytner trade auction as dad still has account from his car dealing days, my amaro had 68k miles so any problems likely happened but still somewhat fresh and cost me 18k plus vat, arse has dropped out the market a bit otherwise its fairly cheap motoring my last one I bought for 17 ran in 6 years did 70k miles and sold it for 14.5 so cost me 2.5k to have for 6 years. hopefully get 12 for mine so bit more this time rd but still less than a £1k a year is fairly cheap for work horse of the business.

just couldn't face a new one on pcp etc with limited mileage and any dent etc costing me money etc

The bottom has got to drop out the pickup market over the next 3 years. Surely hasn't it? Doesn't seem to have done massively yet. I know a lot of people bought them just before the cut off so when they all come up at 3 years it's going to be a massive glut of them

 

[Brendan]

we had a 130hd was a slow dog of a thing, no thanks for running one of them every day compared to my 262 hp amarok which pulls 5t with ease and in comfort and still capable enough off road and can pick the kids up

will need to change though and looking at a single cab setup with a utility back and having a suv for kids and none work use or maybe disco commercial but hear nothing but problems with them.

new defenders looks like a 50/50 gamble on a £25k engine replacement if out of warranty

a van would suit us but prefer not me driving it

this looks like a good setup

Good setup but technically illegal to use, machine borderline over limit for the tipper trailer before you put buckets on but biggest issue is the van can only tow 3t if that as it's the 3t variant of the crafter

 

[Gunners]

I know new sales of pickups has declined a lot in the last year. We are starting to see some factory "conversions" where they remove the rear seats, fit a bulkhead and get around the BIK rule. Would probably suit a lot of us to be honest with the way I've run my Navara for the last 8 years. Hardly had a passenger in the back.
@Giles I think a lot of these engine issues, Landrover and Ford are due to stupid oil change intervals. If you change the oil at 10k they seem to last a lot better. Not saying its just that, there's plenty of other issues with them too, but the oil quality is defiantly a factor in keeping your engine going for longer.

 

[Brendan]

The bottom has got to drop out the pickup market over the next 3 years. Surely hasn't it? Doesn't seem to have done massively yet. I know a lot of people bought them just before the cut off so when they all come up at 3 years it's going to be a massive glut of them

It won't drop, there really isn't anything to replace them. There isn't a single 4x4 panel or chassis cab van under 3.5t that can tow 3.5t. with the new "commercial" versions costing the same price people are just doing rear seats conversions on them like the defenders.
There's a few 4x4 that can tow 3.5t some offer a commercial version which I think is just disco,defender, grenadier, rexton, land cruiser (not sure if others) but only 2 seats (3 an option in defender).
I like to have a work vehicle with more than 3 seats in case I need to do anything with the family if our main car is down or she is out using it so the commercial versions are no good and I don't want some half arsed seat conversion

As per another thread I have really been debating changing the new shape ranger for a 7 seat disco and freeing up some of the difference but the reliability of the 3.0 v6 isn't great although the newer straight 6 is also very problematic from looking online.
Grenadier is more than I want to spend and the 3.0 diesel is very thirsty
Touareg v6 looks good on paper but I'm sure is limited to 140kg nose weight so unsure how that fairs with a heavy plant trailer

 

[Brendan]

EV pickups are mental money, there's the ranger hybrid but poor EV range, shark have released the shark but the performance version that can tow 3.5t isn't available only the smaller engine with 2.5t towing.

Didn't someone on here have a demo booked with the electric dmax?

@Gunners not sure if I seen a post on it but what vehicle did you recently change to?

 

[Lancs Lad]

I know new sales of pickups has declined a lot in the last year. We are starting to see some factory "conversions" where they remove the rear seats, fit a bulkhead and get around the BIK rule. Would probably suit a lot of us to be honest with the way I've run my Navara for the last 8 years. Hardly had a passenger in the back.
@Giles I think a lot of these engine issues, Landrover and Ford are due to stupid oil change intervals. If you change the oil at 10k they seem to last a lot better. Not saying its just that, there's plenty of other issues with them too, but the oil quality is defiantly a factor in keeping your engine going for longer.

Absolutely 100% agree on oil change
In fact VW garage said about new V6 rok to take it off the the road if it trips over the 0% oil quality warning! What does that tell you.

 

[Storrsy]

My Navara says every 18k for oil change which I think is bonkers. I've done it at 6k interval with a quality 5w40 instead of the 5w30 nissan recommends . Think an increased viscosity is better especially once its got a few miles under it's belt and it's doing heavy towing

 

[Smiffy]

EV pickups are mental money, there's the ranger hybrid but poor EV range, shark have released the shark but the performance version that can tow 3.5t isn't available only the smaller engine with 2.5t towing.

Didn't someone on here have a demo booked with the electric dmax?

@Gunners not sure if I seen a post on it but what vehicle did you recently change to?

I was meant to have the electric Hilux last week but went on holiday instead. I will get another demo of it and try and get one of Isuzu and ford and any others aswell as I think I will be getting electric to replace my current truck and I don't want a car and the little vans have terrible range and I don't really want a little van. Will probably be a Hilux due to the ridiculous discount we get with them.


Just seen these being imported now aswell. Editedvto say they are saying 3500kg towing

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