4x4 pickups or iveco's that will tow 3.5 ton

[Monkeybusiness]

Those Mans look smart and would be good compromise for a bit of everything, although when last having a bit of a victor meldrew moment about adblue and sensors I swore going forward we would only buy véhicules I could spanner, and those man trucks will be sensor/adblue/pdf everything , so that leaves you with things like defenders I guess..... yikes

I agree, and they are sensor/bullshit heavy (as everything is nowadays…).
In their defence, they run an extremely common 2l VW engine, so hopefully aren’t too hard to fix. Above that though they are a very comfortable place to sit/drive. I’ve done a bit of spanner on mine and it’s easy peasy compared to s**t-encrusted plant and tractors!

 

[Storrsy]

I'm going older and fixable...the grief I've had over the last 10 or so years has always come down to emissions shite. I've no intrest in ever buying these new things, wet belts, cameras checking your eyes, headlight needs coding in ect ect.

But the other side is I've had 3 land rovers in my time. Can't knock them really but it got to the stage with all 3 that the rust was the killer, felt like constantly chasing tail to keep up with it. My Navara maybe full of emission nonsense but doing any work on it is so much easier not contending with corrosion/leaks/general age related problems all the time. I'd struggle to go back to a landrover now. Plus it tows much better than any of my LRs

 

[Giles]

we had a 130hd was a slow dog of a thing, no thanks for running one of them every day compared to my 262 hp amarok which pulls 5t with ease and in comfort and still capable enough off road and can pick the kids up

will need to change though and looking at a single cab setup with a utility back and having a suv for kids and none work use or maybe disco commercial but hear nothing but problems with them.

new defenders looks like a 50/50 gamble on a £25k engine replacement if out of warranty

a van would suit us but prefer not me driving it

this looks like a good setup

 

[Vinpetrol]

I'm going older and fixable...the grief I've had over the last 10 or so years has always come down to emissions shite. I've no intrest in ever buying these new things, wet belts, cameras checking your eyes, headlight needs coding in ect ect.

I’ve given this some thought as well . The cost of running older easy to maintain kit than running newer stuff . We should do a thread of what are the vehicles that would be worth considering .

 

[Furniss]

I’ve given this some thought as well . The cost of running older easy to maintain kit than running newer stuff . We should do a thread of what are the vehicles that would be worth considering .

yep - agreed
the only trouble ive had with the current merc 19t truck is émission related, thankfully its 2014 so doesn't do limp mode ffs
I reckon
tows 3.5t no emissions shite - powerful enough to do it / parts available and comfy is going to be a short list

 

[Maxus]

From what i can tell there are 2 ways people buy/finance vehicles. You either go new via the PCP/debt route and everything's under warranty and if things go wrong then it's the responsibility of the manufacturer to put right, or you buy outright used (because who's going plunge 40k into a van?) and the responsibility is entirely with the customer.

With these two scenarios there is a very different criteria for vehicle selection, when buying outright, reliability becomes the key consideration because the price of repairs can be extreme. When buying new on finance reliability is almost irrelevant beyond a certain point.

Coming from the manufactures perspective, if most people are going down the finance route the vehicle only really needs to be reliable for the warranty period, build a vehicle that's bullet proof and you end up saturating the market - particularly when it comes to an almost homogeneous product like a van. It would therefore be natural to design obsolescence into vans given the market conditions, and I think this is what we are seeing.

 

[Lancs Lad]

From what i can tell there are 2 ways people buy/finance vehicles. You either go new via the PCP/debt route and everything's under warranty and if things go wrong then it's the responsibility of the manufacturer to put right, or you buy outright used (because who's going plunge 40k into a van?) and the responsibility is entirely with the customer.

With these two scenarios there is a very different criteria for vehicle selection, when buying outright, reliability becomes the key consideration because the price of repairs can be extreme. When buying new on finance reliability is almost irrelevant beyond a certain point.

Coming from the manufactures perspective, if most people are going down the finance route the vehicle only really needs to be reliable for the warranty period, build a vehicle that's bullet proof and you end up saturating the market - particularly when it comes to an almost homogeneous product like a van. It would therefore be natural to design obsolescence into vans given the market conditions, and I think this is what we are seeing.

Absolutely...you'd need your head looking at to run some of these vehicles without a warranty.
Two good mates having issues with rangerover and defender at the moment.
For me I'll be looking at a decent 5+ seater replacement vehicle soon that's hassle free....currently heads in the landcruiser space mainly because of warranty .
Grenadier is still attractive as very much a DIY look after able vehicle...full manuals available...just need price to drop