Druidic Dabblings and General Twaddle !!

groundworker

groundworker

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just can not see 25mm MDPE splitting underground??? .. anyone ever had it happen??
Has happened to me before.

Customer said he had no water pressure and water bubbling up under the grass, I said wtf no way I know there's no joints in the run.

He said the pipe itself had split. He had already dug it up and repaired it so I didn't get to see the damage myself - he was too embarrassed to ask me to fix it as he still owed me money on the job months after I had finished (got paid the balance yesterday funnily enough!)

So yeah I guess it can happen, most likely a manufacturing defect has let go in the cold weather?
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Has happened to me before.

Customer said he had no water pressure and water bubbling up under the grass, I said wtf no way I know there's no joints in the run.

He said the pipe itself had split. He had already dug it up and repaired it so I didn't get to see the damage myself - he was too embarrassed to ask me to fix it as he still owed me money on the job months after I had finished (got paid the balance yesterday funnily enough!)

So yeah I guess it can happen, most likely a manufacturing defect has let go in the cold weather?
thanks .. at least I have some fore warning, that I may not be looking for a ferked joint ......
's a hell of a run in one length though and I deffo know there is one joint within 40 ft of the tank, as I found it when we relocated them several years ago, but would not explain the (what I though originally was a) spring/leak at the edge of the drive by the house :unsure::unsure:
watch this space as they say :rolleyes::(
 
Routy56

Routy56

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thanks .. at least I have some fore warning, that I may not be looking for a ferked joint ......
's a hell of a run in one length though and I deffo know there is one joint within 40 ft of the tank, as I found it when we relocated them several years ago, but would not explain the (what I though originally was a) spring/leak at the edge of the drive by the house :unsure::unsure:
watch this space as they say :rolleyes::(
Never had MDPE cause a problem if installed correctly - ie wrapped in nice soft sand etc :cool:
Whereas that horrible black alcothene is a different story. Often lets go and and have replaced loads over the years.
Best one was under the floor slab of a bungalow. It was pissing out of the gaps between the bricks below the DPC :eek:
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charlie2

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Get your stethoscope out and have a listen
i have seen guys find leaks with e metal rod with a flat round washer on the top by just holding on the ground and putting his ear to the plate on the top he said its much easier to hear it at night when its quiet. i have come across the blue pipe splitting but i think because its been driven over before put in the ground and unless its in clay or soil with no stones at all use fine soil or sand around the pipe. it is more durable than the old black pipe though.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Get your stethoscope out and have a listen
done that already ... not a bloody whisper 🤬
Never had MDPE cause a problem if installed correctly - ie wrapped in nice soft sand etc :cool:
Whereas that horrible black alcothene is a different story. Often lets go and and have replaced loads over the years.
Best one was under the floor slab of a bungalow. It was pissing out of the gaps between the bricks below the DPC :eek:
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that is some leak ... one prob. I have is this is spring fed from a holding tank so virtually zero pressure ...... deffo not the sort of thing you'd get from a mains supply
 
Vinpetrol

Vinpetrol

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done that already ... not a bloody whisper 🤬

that is some leak ... one prob. I have is this is spring fed from a holding tank so virtually zero pressure ...... deffo not the sort of thing you'd get from a mains supply
Have you checked the obvious buddy at the source ?
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
i have seen guys find leaks with e metal rod with a flat round washer on the top by just holding on the ground and putting his ear to the plate on the top he said its much easier to hear it at night when its quiet. i have come across the blue pipe splitting but i think because its been driven over before put in the ground and unless its in clay or soil with no stones at all use fine soil or sand around the pipe. it is more durable than the old black pipe though.
this line's been in the ground since circa 88/90 ... and is deffo MDPE both ends and several places 'en route' , where I know it makes an appearance or where I covered it over after we'd bought the place .. was an open trench in the rough ground beside our drive, before I spent the time 'civilising' it :rolleyes:
I've tried the old faithful, listening rod and stethoscope and gotten nada .. :( my 'best option' ATM is dig a hole where I'm most confident in finding an issue :rolleyes:, where water was last seen regularly .... the latest lack of flow has really got me WTF-ing though :unsure:o_Oo_O:censored:

been up to the tanks today and dug out enough pipe work to be able to disconnect a joint and check for flow ... went equipped to install a stop cock in the line exiting our tank and damn me I'd already installed one when we moved them all in Aug./Sept. '16 ... started with a wilderness with pipes running all over the place .. cleared it and graded it all out .. dug a new stand for the original two tanks and I added a third for our supply's storage, pensioning off our original and creating an additional storage capacity for the neighbours.

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re routed the plumbing at the exit point of 'the wilderness' which was a 'fixed point' and worked back from there
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tidied that bit up a bit and then the wilderness area
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had to hop the 'Drema over loads of pipes regularly doing the clear up
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filled in a few drainage channels to get it all squared up and then recut them afterwards
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dug a stand out for the tanks and re-orientated the spring feed lines to their new location
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and then it rained - big time and it all turned to shite
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left it as tidy as I could as i worked my way back out of there
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freshly installed and plumbed in
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and the back of those tanks is looking like a jungle again now ... 's where I've been digging out about 6" of leaf mould formed soil :( to get to the tank outlets
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

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real claggy tish - but as said, found a tap I'd forgotten I'd installed - each tank/outlet has one
the wet down the side of our tank is where i tipped it out the lid, when I took it off to confirm it was full
the bits of MDPE 'poking' out the sides of t'others are covers over M12 nuts/bolts, inserted to fill holes from their previous lives with some gaskets and sili.
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gonna get up there sometime soon and massacre all those bloody brambles - maybe clear the area up a bit with 'Lil Jake too .. 's a bloody mess again and the channels all want re-digging, but 'spose it is 9 years ago they got done

anyway ... isolated our tank and managed to split the connection without too much effort ... tap on and plenty of flow from the full to the brim tank :mad: ... so I at least know there is no shortage of water where it begins it journey to us. that is something :rolleyes:
have had all the plumbing apart at this end late this afters and it's dry - nada H2O o_O:censored::unsure::unsure::unsure: .. and to confuse me further, as I think I said previously, the leak beside the drive has ceased/left the chat o_O .... the tarmac is gonna have to have it :(
the only bloke I'd've stood any chance of getting some sense from, re. the pipe routing and who did the conversion here is dead .. sadly departed last year .. Alistair was always very helpful, when ever I rang/went and saw him. :rolleyes::cool:
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Why not disconnect and increase the test pressure with a powerful pump or compressed air 🤔
my concern with banging any serious pressure up/down the line is busting any 'iffy' connections ... MDPE connections made properly are supposed to be good for 180PSI - apparently ..... but it may come to that :unsure::rolleyes:
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I've got the bast*rd :giggle::giggle: (y)

tooled up and set out a hole to suit the size of the 8mm plate O/cut, left over from the sump lid/cover ... ;) ... plan ahead:giggle: for the remediation works :rolleyes:
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the small hole is roughly where the 'spring' has been emanating from which I attacked a few days before our water vanished:unsure:
got me 'rods' out and sussed the route - AGAIN - to double triple check where my 'sposed route is :unsure:


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so gave it some 9" treatment ... decided to lop half the hole first, to give me some alternative direction to go once I'd found yon pipe
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dug down looking for some signs of disturbed ground ... bloody hard going - was like dry mix under the 2" of 1-1/4 to dust on the top, but went very gently/slowly with a bar to break it up .. not knowing WTF I was gonna find?
so got down to the bottom of that and quietly 'expanded' me dig out to the edges of my 'black top' cut and found a SWA cable :rolleyes::oops:buried under/wrapped around a gert rock

where the pipe enters the house there are 3 SWA cables disappearing into the floor ...... I used one of them (who's end I found when doing the footings for the wall - buried) for the outside lights, built into the wall.
I know for a very truncated tail of a second one, poking out the tar mac, just in front of the wall, which is uselessly short, but have never found the third one.
So guessed I was somewhere near on the right track as they're bound to have been stuck in the same trench as the water pipe - they all come out the ground in the house, virtually together :rolleyes::)
I was now also finding some water (y):cool:
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and had resorted to my pointing trowel for poking about in't hole and found a second cable t'other side of that rock, which'd obviously been lobbed back in the trench - really want to meet the **** who back filled this with enough rocks to start a small quarry ... good job I'd parked the bar and taken to the trowel or I'd've had the second cable for sure
dug further back towards the wall, where the water appeared to be coming from and sure enough
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left it for five to settle while I had the cuppa, that'd arrived and it'd settle nicely ... deeper excavation required
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and lo and behold :):giggle::love::cool: ......................................................................................................................................................... and theres the second cable which showed itself when I extracted the bloody boulder sat on them both :mad:
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I hate those push fit couplings with a passion .... and this un had a rock sat on it -- a fair lump of a rock forcing it out of line with the MDPE and leaking all round - 'specially the back -- said rock below
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was running out of light - quick - last hour was torch light, slowly clearing out bit by bit ... pipe is heading downwards, from that joint, as are the cables - 'sposed to be dry tomorrow, so'll have to continue in the morning clearing out the hole properly, to find t'other ends of the pipe and cables, emerging from what I presume is the trench leading to the house about 15 feet away .. then I am going to have to go for the originally sized hole (this is only half of the set out hole - in the right direction too) to get at the uphill/upstream end of that pipe, to give me enough room to 'perform surgery' on it to cure the problem ... might even find the third cable if I can get down to the trench level, where the pipe dives down to

and this is what's been coming out of said hole - sand? - WTF is that - fill is as quarried :mad::mad:🤬🤬 .. twa*s
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that's the second barrow full .. remarkable how it bulks out of a little hole

I also have a theory as to why the line in the house is dry .... reckon it's probably blocked with shite that's managed to get in round that joint ... once I have the hole enlarged and more pipe accessible, so I know I can sort the repair as planned, I'll disconnect it and back pressure the line from the house, as there obviously appears to be water at the joint as it's coming out of it, upstream of it - either back flush with water through the pump, with a bit of plumbing juggling, or give it 150 PSI of air or both to flush it out
main thing is I have found the source of the problem/issue :giggle::love: will hopefully be down hill from here (y) ... could really do with a small pump to contend with the watter ... got a subby, but a bit big for this - have got an air powered vac gun, that might do the job, but hopefully when I sever that line yon hole is going to fill PDQ ... 'til I cap it, but want to see it gushing to put a smile on my face :rolleyes::giggle::LOL:

don't you just hate cowboy builders - although I shouldn't be surprised, based on previous 'stetson' jobs I've dealt with here :rolleyes:
there should be a.n.other water line down in there somewhere at 90 deg.s to this one, which is the line I'm drawing off, for the IBC currently - I know exactly where it is on the other side of the wall, beside the uphill side of the land drain collector sump - better keep a very careful eye open for that one :rolleyes: in here - would be a right p*sser to knacker that one
early start in the morning as it's forecast dry .. Hamster juice'll have to wait tomorrow 'til Monday - it's forecast is horrendous - 30 mil of rain again - followed by 40mil on Thursday .. weeks total is approaching 100mil of wet shite, next seven days :(
 

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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Just had a browse through your most recent posts well done on cracking the nut. Imagine if you had to find a crowd to sort all this and what they'd charge you, including the extra for fixing the cables they'd of dug through.
Cheers Jim (y)

absolutely ...
always staggers me how 90% of the population go through life, incapable of 'doing' anything for themselves, reliant on the other 10% of us to deal with their problems :rolleyes: (fortunately ;) for us) :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
life, like that, must be bloody expensive :oops::oops:o_O


Always remember next door's missus saying, when 'we' were/ I was trying to sort his water issues out years ago, " you two have had a go - it's time to get the professionals in " :oops:
to which i replied
" and what do you suppose they're going to do at 150 quid an hour that we haven't already tried? ... best go make some cuppas, if you've got now't better to contribute and I leave you to it .. I do not need to be here .. you're the ones with the water shortage issue, not me " :rolleyes:
thought she was going to blow a gasket ..
" Say something to him Chris "
" well he does have a point " :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
she didn't bother us again and was conspicuous by her silence/absence when we cracked it all eventually :giggle::giggle:
 
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