Whites quick hitches and buckets

[Randla]

I will have a guess that what they actually mean is, they have no control over buckets that are used with their hitches that they do not manufacture. Ie their hitch with Rhinox or Strickland buckets? Not that they are supplying buckets with their name on that they don’t make themselves. Which I believe plenty of the other actually do, Strickland (Shitland) being one of them I think!

If I can make a general observation here without favouring one product over another, many of the major bucket manufacturers do make their own products but they may not make them in this country. Buckets generally are a price-sensitive item and it makes sense to offshore manufacture to (your own) factories in lower wage economies. In the case of Whites, their website clearly says that they make their own products (and much more besides....) and shows pictures of the bucket finishing/painting process - hence my comment to Ollie.

 

[Shovelhands]

If I can make a general observation here without favouring one product over another, many of the major bucket manufacturers do make their own products but they may not make them in this country. Buckets generally are a price-sensitive item and it makes sense to offshore manufacture to (your own) factories in lower wage economies. In the case of Whites, their website clearly says that they make their own products (and much more besides....) and shows pictures of the bucket finishing/painting process - hence my comment to Ollie.

Very good point, but in that case id not expect the branding to clearly be added after the bucket has been manufactured and painted!
but as you say, lots of this comes down to price point, we all want a deal and then moan it’s been built to a price not a standard.

 

[GazCro]

Very good point, but in that case id not expect the branding to clearly be added after the bucket has been manufactured and painted!
but as you say, lots of this comes down to price point, we all want a deal and then moan it’s been built to a price not a standard.

If you buy a machine off dealer and in the deal is three buckets and a hitch (standard deal on new) they are gonna fit cheap unless you specify otherwise. I've been told that a dealer/manufacturer might only pay 1500 to 2k for hyd hitch and 3 buckets for an 8 tonner so there's not much hope for a micro.

 

[Gunners]

If I can make a general observation here without favouring one product over another, many of the major bucket manufacturers do make their own products but they may not make them in this country. Buckets generally are a price-sensitive item and it makes sense to offshore manufacture to (your own) factories in lower wage economies. In the case of Whites, their website clearly says that they make their own products (and much more besides....) and shows pictures of the bucket finishing/painting process - hence my comment to Ollie.

Sorry guys I think I came across wrong. Shovelhands is right. I meant buckets they dont make being used with their hitches. Rather than their buckets not being made by them. I believe they make their own buckets - I will find out I guess!

 

[Randla]

Sorry guys I think I came across wrong. Shovelhands is right. I meant buckets they dont make being used with their hitches. Rather than their buckets not being made by them. I believe they make their own buckets - I will find out I guess!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........

This is exactly the case for the S type standard. Yes - I know it's not pin grab, and therefore cannot take up slack in mismanufacturerd or worn attachments, but the two are designed to fit together in the first place, irrespective of who makes them. The defence rests, MiLud.

 

[Gunners]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........

This is exactly the case for the S type standard. Yes - I know it's not pin grab, and therefore cannot take up slack in mismanufacturerd or worn attachments, but the two are designed to fit together in the first place, irrespective of who makes them. The defence rests, MiLud.

Let alone the build height advantage. I do wonder if part of the reason the Whites hitches I have experience with suffer from too small dipper width on the buckets. Kubotas always seem very narrow on their buckets for some reason. The S type, even the smallest size, always seem to have a nice wide yoke and this helps a lot to reduce the effects of play

 

[Furniss]

Im at the yard tomorrow for an hour - I will do vid of the whites that came on mini digger with 600hrs

 

[Nick...]

Someone must know where buckets are made for various companies.who makes jcb mini digger buckets.they are just horrible.I know harford built buckets for volvo and case or certainly did.I’ve had issues with harford not supplying direct to customers in the past,insisting you go through a dealer who then add their bit.having had a good moan at the MD at plant works they will supply direct and done me a great deal on a ripper.pricing a new Volvo at the moment and harford are the supplied buckets.
nick...

 

[JD450A]

Someone must know where buckets are made for various companies.who makes jcb mini digger buckets.

China

 

[Brendan]

My whites spring hitch has been ok, the retaining pin can be a pain if stones get in, but it's not a huge issue.
Their buckets on the other hand seem ok, well built weight not too bad.

Geometry is horrendous not sure if it's the hitch, the buckets or combination of both, really struggle to cut a clean vertical edge, although could just be me but even at around 1m deep or less no matter if I move the machine forward or back the rear of the bucket will catch before the digging edge.

The lever bar is a bit lacking compared to others I have seen although could just be a poverty spec supplied by the dealer it's literally a straight round bar with a circlip, not bothered about it not having a crappy plastic handle but if it had a thicker piece of metal rather than the circlip it could probably be mounted somewhere with the risk of it sliding out

 

[Gunners]

China

See I thought the standard buckets with my 8026 were really good in shape and quality. Almost too well built to be honest as they weighed a ton. If China make them, then fair play. But I think it does vary across the range. My genuine 801 buckets are a bit of an odd shape but well made, and the new 15-19c ones are even worse looking (cant comment on quality). Anything above my 8026 (8025-8035 range) gets 3cx buckets until the 13t and up range.
And the JCB quick hitch is spot on on both my 8026 and 8015. Spring hitch, holds them even when pushed against without the safety pin (test purposes only of course!) and you can snap the buckets into place from inside the cab, meaning you only have to get out to take it off (and again to put the safety pin in....)
Anyway, no complaints from me on JCB buckets. China made or otherwise

 

[Gunners]

Geometry is horrendous not sure if it's the hitch, the buckets or combination of both, really struggle to cut a clean vertical edge, although could just be me but even at around 1m deep or less no matter if I move the machine forward or back the rear of the bucket will catch before the digging edge.

Is this on the Bobcat? The guy who contacted me said the spring hitch wasn't really the ideal hitch type for a micro due to the machines limited curl and that KLAC hitches were better for mimicking the pin on geometry.
I find it all quite interesting and look forward to having it explained to me, how they go about working out the compromise of rotation vs vertical dig depth

 

[JD450A]

I find it all quite interesting and look forward to having it explained to me, how they go about working out the compromise of rotation vs vertical dig depth

I'm looking forward to watching you pulping out a manufacturers spiel as you sell your soul for a hat and a gift bag like every other construction plant journalist

 

[Shovelhands]

I'm looking forward to watching you pulping out a manufacturers spiel as you sell your soul for a hat and a gift bag like every other construction plant journalist

You sound like you want to tag along....

 

[GazCro]

Is this on the Bobcat? The guy who contacted me said the spring hitch wasn't really the ideal hitch type for a micro due to the machines limited curl and that KLAC hitches were better for mimicking the pin on geometry.
I find it all quite interesting and look forward to having it explained to me, how they go about working out the compromise of rotation vs vertical dig depth

Far too many variables. Ideal bucket pin spacing will vary between digger manufacturers yet many hitch makers will not account for this. So you could either be losing crowd or dump but yet gaining breakout of vice versa.

 

[JD450A]

You sound like you want to tag along....

Yes, it's hopefully going to happen

Far too many variables. Ideal bucket pin spacing will vary between digger manufacturers yet many hitch makers will not account for this. So you could either be losing crowd or dump but yet gaining breakout of vice versa.

Think you underestimate hitch manufacturers to be fair.

 

[Shovelhands]

Yes, it's hopefully going to happen

I credit Ollie with far more sense than that....

 

[GazCro]

Yes, it's hopefully going to happen



Think you underestimate hitch manufacturers to be fair.

Possibly not the case for most but i bet some of the hitches for smaller machines made by some aren't that dedicated.

 

[hiluxman]

See I thought the standard buckets with my 8026 were really good in shape and quality. Almost too well built to be honest as they weighed a ton. If China make them, then fair play. But I think it does vary across the range. My genuine 801 buckets are a bit of an odd shape but well made, and the new 15-19c ones are even worse looking (cant comment on quality). Anything above my 8026 (8025-8035 range) gets 3cx buckets until the 13t and up range.
And the JCB quick hitch is spot on on both my 8026 and 8015. Spring hitch, holds them even when pushed against without the safety pin (test purposes only of course!) and you can snap the buckets into place from inside the cab, meaning you only have to get out to take it off (and again to put the safety pin in....)
Anyway, no complaints from me on JCB buckets. China made or otherwise

I agree there, I cannot fault my jcb 801 buckets or jcb hitch.

 

[Brendan]

Is this on the Bobcat? The guy who contacted me said the spring hitch wasn't really the ideal hitch type for a micro due to the machines limited curl and that KLAC hitches were better for mimicking the pin on geometry.
I find it all quite interesting and look forward to having it explained to me, how they go about working out the compromise of rotation vs vertical dig depth

Yes forgot add details when I reread the thread.
Doosan Dx10 whites spring hitch and whites 300, 450, 600 buckets. Will have to check what the 900 is I know it's off a dx19 (nice of the dealer to just palm a 1.9t bucket off rather than one made to order ) and. 900 digbits land rake.

I absolutely hate the klac hitches and buckets, just a massive faff, two of the 2.5t machines I was on recently had them on can be three trips to the hitch to get the bucket on. The second machine was a bit better due to idiots not trying to smash the lever over with a hammer. Then the whole hassle of having to take the hitch off and on to flip the bucket. I know you get better breakout forces but negatives for me are too high

The hydraulic hitch on the kx61 wasnt great either to be honest not sure who made the buckets but tons of play didn't get a chance to dig deeper than 900 with it but still had the same lack of being able to cut a clean vertical edge at depth.

Not sure if I buy their excuse of klac being better at mimicking hitchless, surely they could just rotate their pin geometry back a few degrees