Randla
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No axe to grind, but would you buy one?These look interesting
English - 380 Invent og Compacttilt™
www.380.dk
Furniss
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I really like the no ram concept -can direct mount - nothing to break, Im in the sticks in rural France and fix everything myself so simple is good.
Interested to hear your thoughts on them Robert
Interested to hear your thoughts on them Robert
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fred
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may be a viable on a mini no rams as not as much grunt is needed ?
Furniss
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Kinshofer seem to manage with no rams on all sizes of machine
Randla
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The helac tilt function has one major thing going for it and that's the lack of hoses. For those that haven't seen the latest edition of Earthmovers, there's a piece on Ed Butler's Kinshofer setup and he makes the perfectly reasonable point that if you are mucking around in vegetation it's a major advantage. Against this you have roughly half the tilt force, which in offset digging means half the breakout force.I really like the no ram concept -can direct mount - nothing to break, Im in the sticks in rural France and fix everything myself so simple is good.
Interested to hear your thoughts on them Robert
I know there are guys on here with Kinshofer units and I'll leave them to sing their praises, but I wouldn't touch that Danish beast if it was gift wrapped.
On edit: They're also narrower which is really helpful in deep trenching. With a conventional tilty you have to go twin hitch
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Furniss
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So danish model aside they have their place in
Randla
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YesSo danish model aside they have their place in
My concern with the one you pointed out is not so much the fact that it uses a helac tilting mechanism - each to his own - but some of the design elements worry me and, as with all hydraulic attachments, selling them is all about service. I doubt they'll have anything outside of Denmark
Robert
HeliPilot
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I have just one prop line, could you possibly explain how this can be done?where's me tin hat
Randla
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@V8Druid may have missed this, so I'll answer before he wreaks more mischief
.Assuming your proportional line is foot-operated, you use this to vary the speed of the services (tilt, rotate, extra function(s) and so on) and select the functions and direction by using pairs of buttons mounted on the joysticks. You usually use it in single-acting mode, so it's a little like the accelerator in a car. It's a workable system for those on a budget but doesn't compare in utility to the higher level four/six hose systems (SS9) or fully proportional (SS10) systems that most tilty manufacturers will point you towards. FWIW, the road/rail diggers use a variant of this called SS5.
You can read more about it here
HTH
Robert
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Druids not been doin' much for a few days ... been rough ... now how much mischief shall i wreak Robert@V8Druid may have missed this, so I'll answer before he wreaks more mischief
Assuming your proportional line is foot-operated, you use this to vary the speed of the services (tilt, rotate, extra function(s) and so on) and select the functions and direction by using pairs of buttons mounted on the joysticks. You usually use it in single-acting mode, so it's a little like the accelerator in a car. It's a workable system for those on a budget but doesn't compare in utility to the higher level four/six hose systems (SS9) or fully proportional (SS10) systems that most tilty manufacturers will point you towards. FWIW, the road/rail diggers use a variant of this called SS5.
You can read more about it here
HTH
Robert
Cetop3 valves are your friends for splitting your service .... come in two variants - on/off or fully proportional (at circa 10 times the price of the former and need driver circuitry too, at additional cost).
When i was building my Va-r, (variable angle rotator), as I like to call it -- or tilty as they'm more colloquially known as, I had one double acting prop service to play with, but wanted 4 services, (eventually) ... tilt, rotate and an aux. supply for tools under it, plus a hitch circuit.
only had room for a 3 way manifold, so had to deal with the hitch circuit separately (eventually).
a cetop3 valve, gets fed with a single prop supply in one direction only and enables you to run whatever is on 't'other side of it' in either direction by reversing the flow electrically with solenoids.
Three on one manifold gives you:-
one feed (P) in and one return (T) out from your prop service, which is only operated in one direction ..... the cetops on the manifold are then switched to whichever item you wish to feed and in whichever direction you want it to actuate ....
manifolding them allows for multiple items to be operated from the same service (but and this is the main drawback) they all receive the same flow rate from your one prop. feed to the manifold, (which is also split, flow wise, if more than one service is engaged) so i can't have a slow rotate and a fast tilt, or vice versa.
In practise - and with practise
it still makes for a very usable set up (doesn't it @TiltyShaun ?) so if you wanted to put a rotating grab under your dipper end .... feed your prop service to a pair of cetop3s manifolded and say mounted on the back of the boom and feed 4 hoses to your dipper tip for open/close and rotate left/right.
the solenoids to control these motions are actuated from pairs of buttons on your sticks.
since building me VA-r I have come across some smaller manifolded/sliced units which would've made life a lot easier when building and at a comparable cost .....
4 Bank Hydraulic Solenoid Control Spool Valve, 1/2 / 3/8 BSP, 50lpm, 12 / 24v | eBay UK
Port Sizes - P, T & N = 1/2 BSP / A & B = 3/8 BSP. It is compact but has a flow capacity of 50 lpm at 250 bar. With quality by design, high specification materials, 100% production testing. This valve is an economic alternative to currently available monoblocks.
www.ebay.co.uk
3 Bank Hydraulic Solenoid Control Spool Valve, 1/2 / 3/8 BSP, 50lpm, 12 / 24v | eBay UK
Port Sizes - P, T & N = 1/2 BSP / A & B = 3/8 BSP. It is compact but has a flow capacity of 50 lpm at 250 bar. With quality by design, high specification materials, 100% production testing. This valve is an economic alternative to currently available monoblocks.
www.ebay.co.uk
Hydraulic Solenoid Control Spool Valve, 3/8 / 1/2 BSP, 50lpm, 1-6 Bank, 12 / 24v | eBay UK
Port Sizes - P, T & N = 1/2 BSP / A & B = 3/8 BSP. It is compact but has a flow capacity of 50 lpm at 250 bar. With quality by design, high specification materials, 100% production testing. This valve is an economic alternative to currently available monoblocks.
www.ebay.co.uk
these are a hell of a lot smaller than the manifolded, separate 1/2" cetop3,s I used but hadn't found these back in 2014
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the black, long union is a one way valve .. one on each pin/feed/return, in case of accidental activation in the wrong direction of the prop service supplying the manifold ... it wouldn't take kindly to reverse flow (apparently)
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those little un's'd do a great job on the back of a boom
as said, there are drawbacks/restrictions ...... but tolerable .. it does get you as many additional usable feeds as you want and in the case of my VA-r build I only have a P and a T going to it ... all the hydraulic 'trickery' is located in the body of my VA-r so only 1 pair of pipes down the dipper .
As an extra novelty, I fed my 1/2" P and T lines through my pivot pins, with rotating unions inboard, to cope with the 120 degs of movement I managed, with tilt left to right
the 4 gallery rotary coupling feeding oil to the underside Aux ports and the hitch, is yet another story
( I have a 6 gallery unit for an upgrade, if I ever get around to 'creating' a gripper for it ... and two spare buttons to control it. .... would just need to juggle in a.n.other cetop3 .... to control it )I take some flak for 'preaching' the 'pedal and buttons' gospel, .. but on a budget, it achieves a lot, that you wouldn't otherwise have (I was quoted 1200+ quid plus VAT each for prop solenoid cetop3,s in 2014, plus 'driver' circuitry
... the on/offs were circa 36 quid each)On edit .... @Rivmedia .. have had to come back in here and edit all the images BACK IN ..... it does this fairly regularly
and is a right ball ache looking for the pix again
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TiltyShaun
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As mentioned above. On my 3 toner I am more than happy with the foot pedal and buttons as I can tilt and rotate at the same time.
The budget between that set up and a control system was not one that I could afford. I have since added a diverted to the main aux line so I can run attachments under the tilty but you can use those functions when using the attachment. No big hardship for the post knocker, slightly inconvenient for the flail.
The budget between that set up and a control system was not one that I could afford. I have since added a diverted to the main aux line so I can run attachments under the tilty but you can use those functions when using the attachment. No big hardship for the post knocker, slightly inconvenient for the flail.
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Brendan
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Bit of a thread revival, has anyone recently had a price for a ec02b or R1 on s30 pins
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Monkeybusiness
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No, but can’t wait to hear the (undoubtedly massive) numbers!!!
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Brendan
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Not much under 14k + vat fitted for a ec02b with s30/180 top and no buckets
@Gunners did you swap over your ec02 or change to a new one for the new 8026? How are you finding the new 8026 Vs your original?
Been looking at figures and trying to kind of forward plan and see if making a purchase of something before the tax year runs out.
TiltyShaun
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Lancs Lad
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Just as a totally random aside I wandered onto the rototilt stand at APF to speak to Aidan..who wasn't there. Had a long chat with the lad on the stand who spent plenty of time with us and the two other ARB lads who hadn't much experience with tiltys ...
Even though it was evident none of us was in a position to buy one the time spent and explanation of features (oilishquickish)
etc from a proper gent gives them a tick in my book. Nice bunch I'll be back to use a phrase 
Even though it was evident none of us was in a position to buy one the time spent and explanation of features (oilishquickish)
etc from a proper gent gives them a tick in my book. Nice bunch I'll be back to use a phrase
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Tintan28
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Don’t shatter the illusion!
Gunners
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I think thats a smart decision especially as Corp tax is going up, might as well spend the profits. And being more efficient is a good thing for making more money in the long term.
I'm trying to find some quotes but they are lost in Instagram messages. 14k doesn't sound too bad in all honesty in todays prices. £16k direct mount with 3 buckets is the cheapest Ive heard. Usual prices are around the 18-19k mark with buckets and top hitch. Rototilt seems to be cheaper than Engcon atm by £1k or more depending on spec
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Brendan
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When I was looking to purchase the 8026 I got a couple of quotes for tilt rotator and rototilt and the price was far better than the engconJust as a totally random aside I wandered onto the rototilt stand at APF to speak to Aidan..who wasn't there. Had a long chat with the lad on the stand who spent plenty of time with us and the two other ARB lads who hadn't much experience with tiltys ...
Even though it was evident none of us was in a position to buy one the time spent and explanation of features (oilishquickish)
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