Sub 3t tiltys

[Furniss]

I need to hang on I think Graham ... although I am very tempted,its just the lack of control with the button and pedal setup puts me off more than the other drawbacks, dont want to end up with a half arsed set-up and the old KX71-3 has 3800hrs on it now and prob getting past adding a tiltrotator to that cant follow onto the next machine.
Keen to get on the bandwagon though as I see the benefits in my work.

 

[Brendan]

Updated for the bobcat rep

 

[Furniss]

Updated for the bobcat rep

I understand that the old KX71-3 isnt on the list for obvious reasons but I did notice on Freds list it seemed to wipe the floor with the current crop, on paper at least

 

[Thomas7740]

Updated for the bobcat rep

How come no EZ26 Wacker?

 

[fred]

I understand that the old KX71-3 isnt on the list for obvious reasons but I did notice on Freds list it seemed to wipe the floor with the current crop, on paper at least

the 71-3 is replaced by the 030-4

 

[Furniss]

the 71-3 is replaced by the 030-4

Yeah I know Fred thats what i meant when i wrote "for obvious reasons"
I bought my old KX71-3 from a mate who replaced it with a 030-4 ..... he was hoping for a KX71-3 with an improved cab because he loved it, he told me its disappointing and not in the same league as his old one for grading / trimming work but the cabs better and it has good power digging.... maybe he got a bad one but they have been out to it and say its right.

 

[Brendan]

How come no EZ26 Wacker?

Added, although no idea on weights for any of the parts so went with lightest for both options. All the specs are spread over a lot of pages. Weight charts are for the canopy models with no extra counterweights

@Furniss 61 and 71 added

 

[JerryRtilt]

The R1 is Rototilts smallest tiltrotator, available with both S30 and S40 (and possibly some German spec couplers) you can't have S30 with a gripper.
An S30 direct mount is approx 100kg.
A S40 direct mount is 110kg, the gripper is 36kg. These are real world weights by the way, not read of a spec sheet.

@JerryRtilt is a good guy to ask regarding grippers Vs grabs.. he has just bought a nice little Dala-gripen DGS012 of me

The Dala gripen is a great little grab, looks very well built and good value for money, would have loved to keep the gripper on my R1as its so handy to have the ability to grip stuff at any time, and at 36kg its lighter than others, but my zero tail swing Volvo ecr25d doesn't need any extra wieght on the end of the arm, (will be interesting to see how the replacement ec27d handles it when it arrives) I also have to agree with @Gunners that Eddies original advice of the smallest tilty on the largest machine is all important, but the trouble at the smaller end of the market is options are limited and you almost have to spec. the machine to suit the Tilty, as apposed to the Tilty to suit the machine. ? and if you then want to keep it legal on a 3.5t trailer ??

 

[JerryRtilt]

Yeah I know Fred thats what i meant when i wrote "for obvious reasons"
I bought my old KX71-3 from a mate who replaced it with a 030-4 ..... he was hoping for a KX71-3 with an improved cab because he loved it, he told me its disappointing and not in the same league as his old one for grading / trimming work but the cabs better and it has good power digging.... maybe he got a bad one but they have been out to it and say its right.

Seems to be a common theme, new doesn't seem to be any guarantee of improvement, I know manufacturers have had to concentrate on emissions at the larger end of the market over the last few years, but i don't think so many changes have had to be made at the smaller end, but we don't seem to see any great improvements in performance, and in many cases thing seem to be going backwards.?

 

[Smiffy]

Seems to be a common theme, new doesn't seem to be any guarantee of improvement, I know manufacturers have had to concentrate on emissions at the larger end of the market over the last few years, but i don't think so many changes have had to be made at the smaller end, but we don't seem to see any great improvements in performance, and in many cases thing seem to be going backwards.?

Tbh is there really that much they can do.
I'm pretty sure every mini I've driven will easily drag itself along tarmac if you are greedy digging a trench.
They will all pick up enough to tip themselves over.
Really at this point you would need things like telescopic booms or extending counterweights to make much difference.
There is only so much Netflix in the cab will get you

 

[doobin]

I understand that the old KX71-3 isnt on the list for obvious reasons but I did notice on Freds list it seemed to wipe the floor with the current crop, on paper at least

Simple, it has a 4 cylinder engine. Emissions bullshit is strangling modern machines performance.

 

[craig]

Really at this point you would need things like telescopic booms or extending counterweights to make much difference.
There is only so much Netflix in the cab will get you

A Priestman vc mini

 

[Brendan]

I've neatened up the last one and added a few more.
Might have to start clapping and get a price from bobcat/doosan

 

[V8Druid]

Sorry Graham - I missed the point of your question

I've no doubt it could but whether it would be economic to do it is another thing. To get the manaufacturer or one of their service partners (more likely) to swap it out would probably raise the cost to more than a new one with a swivel. If (hypothetically) you were doing it for yourself then yes, it would make sense. As we've all said, it's good value for money but not something I'd personally promote on a new, factory-spec'd digger.

agreed .... but on an older machine, it'd be a cheap way into tiltyland for a first go ....... is the centre of that unit open, where one could fit maybe a Roemheld rotary ?? (with a bit of Druidry)

 

[JerryRtilt]

Tbh is there really that much they can do.
I'm pretty sure every mini I've driven will easily drag itself along tarmac if you are greedy digging a trench.
They will all pick up enough to tip themselves over.
Really at this point you would need things like telescopic booms or extending counterweights to make much difference.
There is only so much Netflix in the cab will get you

I would agree no lack of power with most modern mini's just some seem to lack finesse ? ( like the extending counterweight idea though)

 

[TiltyShaun]

Nothing wrong with a tilty on A Kx71-3. I thing I am on 4000hrs plus and no sign of going newer yet!!

 

[GazCro]

I would agree no lack of power with most modern mini's just some seem to lack finesse ? ( like the extending counterweight idea though)

Variable displacement pumps and load sensing hydraulics driven by the emissions regs and trying to achieve better fuel economy is why none of the newer models live up to the long established predecessors. It's something which is more obvious on smaller machines (but not exclusive to them) but you can't beat the old style hyd systems where all the flow is there all the time from an operating point of view. It's just something you have to get used to with newer kit if you don't want to be running high hours older machines.

 

[doobin]

I've neatened up the last one and added a few more.
Might have to start clapping and get a price from bobcat/doosan

Doosan were always worse priced than Bobcat for lower spec machines in my experience. Which is a shame because I would have prefered orange.

Also much easier to get options prices from Bobcat, which is important for the owner op. A lot of the prices I was being quoted for extra aux from other manufacturers were an absoloute joke, and often through a third party. Only a £500 option for Bobcat (after another £600 for roller aux rather than foot pedal, but who wouldn't want that??) if you can handle the wait from the factory. Hopefully other manufacturers will learn and at least offer it. I wouldn't be without thumb roller double aux even on the 1.9t machine.

The backup is still s**t, but the performance and most importantly figures stack up on my E27. Jury still out on the E19 but starting to like it.

Are they still doing 0% finance over 5 years?

Variable displacement pumps and load sensing hydraulics driven by the emissions regs and trying to achieve better fuel economy is why none of the newer models live up to the long established predecessors. It's something which is more obvious on smaller machines (but not exclusive to them) but you can't beat the old style hyd systems where all the flow is there all the time from an operating point of view. It's just something you have to get used to with newer kit if you don't want to be running high hours older machines.

I don't think variable pumps are a bad thing- on mini machines they have led to a lot more power being available and better flow sharing. I would never go back to a gear pump on a three cylinder machine. Diesel isn't getting any cheaper either and with the upcoming change to white...

The problem is, the manufacturer's flow sharing spec never quite aligns with how the owner op uses it. The holy grail would be all electronic controls, with every setting changeable. But then netfllix

 

[Brendan]

Doosan were always worse priced than Bobcat for lower spec machines in my experience. Which is a shame because I would have prefered orange.

Also much easier to get options prices from Bobcat, which is important for the owner op. A lot of the prices I was being quoted for extra aux from other manufacturers were an absoloute joke, and often through a third party. Only a £500 option for Bobcat (after another £600 for roller aux rather than foot pedal, but who wouldn't want that??) if you can handle the wait from the factory. Hopefully other manufacturers will learn and at least offer it. I wouldn't be without thumb roller double aux even on the 1.9t machine.

The backup is still s**t, but the performance and most importantly figures stack up on my E27. Jury still out on the E19 but starting to like it.

Are they still doing 0% finance over 5 years?

I don't think variable pumps are a bad thing- on mini machines they have led to a lot more power being available and better flow sharing. I would never go back to a gear pump on a three cylinder machine. Diesel isn't getting any cheaper either and with the upcoming change to white...

The problem is, the manufacturer's flow sharing spec never quite aligns with how the owner op uses it. The holy grail would be all electronic controls, with every setting changeable. But then netfllix

The new local ish dealer said around 27k with manual hitch, available November. To be honest I used my dx10z for the first time in a few weeks on Saturday and you forget about all the bits that piss you off about it, the last time you used it

 

[Furniss]

These look interesting

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