Routy56 - can you just....

[Routy56]

Looks like nice dry weather for it, and great to see the young ones getting involved. Not tried the Insuduct but looks good.
Sorry to be a fly in the ointment (so to speak) but to comply with water regs the stoptap should be the first fitting inside the building and immediately followed by a double check valve and a drain valve . This reduces back flow risks and also enable easy drain downs of system

BES also sell nifty little MDPE compression adaptors with liners that mean you can bolt a nice WRAS approved lever valve straight onto the MDPE. The brass stop taps these days are generally poor quality and like to seize up. (Also they tend to restrict flow).
(Sorry.. slightly on the spectrum and 24 years of working with the wet stuff and working with water companies = interested in getting the message out there about getting it perfect!)

No not at all - advice is always welcome
I am not a plumber but simply have a few skills to get by. With the limited space to work and not wanting to rip the floor up in a busy house, it was a case of getting the job done
Believe me it is now 100% better than previous. No outside stop cock at the boundary. And a leaking about to break up horrible gate valve in the bathroom just above the incoming lead pipe
I was frankly very pleased to get TWO new means of isolation installed.
We can upgrade the whole lot when they refurb their kitchen

 

[Lancs Lad]

Looks like nice dry weather for it, and great to see the young ones getting involved. Not tried the Insuduct but looks good.
Sorry to be a fly in the ointment (so to speak) but to comply with water regs the stoptap should be the first fitting inside the building and immediately followed by a double check valve and a drain valve . This reduces back flow risks and also enable easy drain downs of system

BES also sell nifty little MDPE compression adaptors with liners that mean you can bolt a nice WRAS approved lever valve straight onto the MDPE. The brass stop taps these days are generally poor quality and like to seize up. (Also they tend to restrict flow).
(Sorry.. slightly on the spectrum and 24 years of working with the wet stuff and working with water companies = interested in getting the message out there about getting it perfect!)

Brass tap ..
Fitted new outside tap couple of months back...already wont fully turn off what a pile of crap.
Any suggestions proper brand? That doesn't have and flow reducer ..
Oh I hate wet stuff....give me a wire...either works or won't.

 

[pettsy]

I’m surprised they didn’t make you get someone watersafe approved to sign off the pipework before they would reconnect it? (Unless you are?)

 

[pettsy]

Brass tap ..
Fitted new outside tap couple of months back...already wont fully turn off what a pile of crap.
Any suggestions proper brand? That doesn't have and flow reducer ..
Oh I hate wet stuff....give me a wire...either works or won't.

Had the same when local supplier started using a Chinese brand. I generally use midbrass or embrass Bibtaps. There was another decent brand but damned if I can remember the name

 

[Giles]

We have to fit no return valves as well next to the stop tap

 

[V8Druid]

I do WTF I like .... spring supply

 

[Routy56]

Guys let's not all get brassed off over a stop cock
In fact I used a really good quality "Made4Trade" WRAS approved jobbie AND turned it back half a turn from fully ON.
As I say it's my feeble effort to get the job done.
The main thing that Affinity was concerned about was the new was at the correct depth.
Mind you the old lead was at about 2 feet

And this is how I found out when my toothless bucket touched it

I hate lead pipes. Hobble stuff to work with and you need proper magic to do anything with them.
That lead pipe is really thick with a really small bore up the middle.
Even the 'lead lock' connector used by Affinity wouldn't seal at the first attempt

 

[Routy56]

I do WTF I like .... spring supply

You lucky devil - proper 'off grid' stuff for you then.
I bet you keep an eye on pump and tanks etc

 

[Routy56]

I’m surprised they didn’t make you get someone watersafe approved to sign off the pipework before they would reconnect it? (Unless you are?)

The guys in the office wanted it all inspected before back fill and connection.
Back on the ground, the guys were very practical in getting the job done.
As a 'one man band' I simply did my best at my daughter's house - well I did watch a few YouTubes
It's got to be better than the old lead supply with no proper means of isolation known.....

 

[Routy56]

So the day after the lead mains replacement debacle my eldest daughter phoned, "Dad my car is running rough and has a warning light on the dashboard"
She has a Mini Cooper which I usually service for her....

Me - "I know what that will be. I still have the new spark plugs on my bench"
When I serviced it months ago I couldn't change the plugs because I didn't have the skinny plug spanner.
So a few months later, I was still waiting for her to pop in for a spark plugs pit stop....

Yep here's a clue...

And another clue....

And another clue....

And THREE nice new NGKs going in....

All torqued up and good as new

My brother said, "So what happened to the tip. Can you just take the head off and look for it"
I don't even want to go there. See told y'all I've been busy.

But in actual fact it quite a nice car, no wonder she loves it
Another job jobbed

 

[V8Druid]

My brother said, "So what happened to the tip. Can you just take the head off and look for it"
I don't even want to go there. See told y'all I've been busy.

But in actual fact it quite a nice car, no wonder she loves it
Another job jobbed

hopefully the motor will have 'consumed' it or it's stuck in the top of a piston
similar set up, plug wise to an old Renault 16 ..... buried deeeeeeeep in the head - but at least they were relatively std plugs, compared to those

 

[Routy56]

hopefully the motor will have 'consumed' it or it's stuck in the top of a piston
similar set up, plug wise to an old Renault 16 ..... buried deeeeeeeep in the head - but at least they were relatively std plugs, compared to those

Yes I don’t even want to think about where it has gone. Mind you it’s only like a tiny piece on these modern plugs. And of course the car has got a turbo if it gets past the valves
It’s been a few weeks now and the car is running as sweet as

 

[V8Druid]

You lucky devil - proper 'off grid' stuff for you then.
I bet you keep an eye on pump and tanks etc

too right .... always have a spare pump and pressure switch 'in stock' (couple of each ATM - buy them if they come up cheap anywhere) -
no pump=no water -
couple of hundred quids-worth of spares is the best insurance against issues on a w/end / odd hours -
buy filters by the boxful
'the neighbours' rely on 'contractors' to rip them off for servicing/problems, .....
although our 'nice' neighbours have sussed that 'I'm equipped' to deal with whatever comes up
I now also know their system inside out too having sorted an issue created by the so called 'professionals' ineptitude a few months ago
collapsed the guts of a shut off valve (plastic), by opening it toooooo far and was blocking the incoming gravity fed supply intermittently -- took a bit of finding

 

[Stroppymonkey]

We have to fit no return valves as well next to the stop tap

Something like this .
Ignore all the shite plumbing to the left… that’s not ours.
I’ve given up on brass taps . We use full bore lever for cold mains , and pegler full bore HU bib taps . Don’t get issue with them . Traditional brass stop taps and outside taps are not worth touching these days .

 

[Routy56]

Something like this .
Ignore all the shite plumbing to the left… that’s not ours.
I’ve given up on brass taps . We use full bore lever for cold mains , and pegler full bore HU bib taps . Don’t get issue with them . Traditional brass stop taps and outside taps are not worth touching these days .

Now that is an excellent example of how to do it properly
But I do note a few things worthy of comment.
1. You are using those crimp on joints as opposed to nice end feed solder joints. How do you find them?
No 'use of heat' and saving in time springs to mind.
2. Pressure gauge on the regulator may be difficult to read, but still a nice touch.
3. Love the lever valve (as opposed to brass). Do you know if they available as a 90 deg fitting?
And yes the stuff to the left is utter crap , even I know that

 

[Canal Navvy]

Picture paints a thousand words, like the 25mm MDPE to 22 mm adapter with quarter turn valve

 

[V8Druid]

I love a nice full bore ball valve too .. got loads 'in stock' in all sorts of sizes, acquired over time from various 'strip outs' and sales - mostly S/steel

 

[Stroppymonkey]

Now that is an excellent example of how to do it properly
But I do note a few things worthy of comment.
1. You are using those crimp on joints as opposed to nice end feed solder joints. How do you find them?
No 'use of heat' and saving in time springs to mind.
2. Pressure gauge on the regulator may be difficult to read, but still a nice touch.
3. Love the lever valve (as opposed to brass). Do you know if they available as a 90 deg fitting?
And yes the stuff to the left is utter crap , even I know that

We have been using press fit on domestic since 2009. Quicker and cleaner and safer and more reliable than endfeed. Less contamination to flush out in heating systems ….
Only down sides are cost of fittings - easily offset by labour saving, and they are bulky and not really suitable for anything left on show .
Think we have about £15000 worth of press tools spread around the vans. And half that again in fittings.

Plumbing isn’t a cheap hobby.

 

[V8Druid]

We have been using press fit on domestic since 2009. Quicker and cleaner and safer and more reliable than endfeed. Less contamination to flush out in heating systems ….
Only down sides are cost of fittings - easily offset by labour saving, and they are bulky and not really suitable for anything left on show .
Think we have about £15000 worth of press tools spread around the vans. And half that again in fittings.

Plumbing isn’t a cheap hobby.

somewhere I have some BIG versions of those crimping tools, acquired at a clear out I did many years ago, of a big Pharma co.'s maintenance workshops -- they must be here somewhere but damned if i can recall which cupboard they're stashed in .... must have a look some time

 

[Canal Navvy]

We have been using press fit on domestic since 2009. Quicker and cleaner and safer and more reliable than endfeed. Less contamination to flush out in heating systems ….
Only down sides are cost of fittings - easily offset by labour saving, and they are bulky and not really suitable for anything left on show .
Think we have about £15000 worth of press tools spread around the vans. And half that again in fittings.

Plumbing isn’t a cheap ….

Only down sides are cost of fittings - easily offset by labour saving, and they are bulky and not really suitable for anything left on show .

Those 316 stainless ones with the blue bands could look very lovely on show
Do like to see tidy installation