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Giles

Giles

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Wild Elland in the lakes has shown that slowing water and holding it higher up on the land can help flooding downstream, the years of dredging and canalising rivers to get the water away fast has been shown to increase flooding unless the capacity is massive

slowing water and holding at source and slowly realising it is advantages but instead we have all the farmers championing that cock wobble from Hereford and talking about common sense and dredging without any thought for the educated thinking, because they’d much rather have cities and towns flood than their own land which was historic flood plains!

years of development and tarmac concrete and drains means now water gets into the rivers too fast and causes the problems only now are we building attenuation cells and holding ponds etc. The americans been ahead of us having huge ponds And Lakes in sub divisions to hold water. Our American friends have an 11 acre garden but 5 ids bunded and has never flooded in their 20 years but is there if it ever is required they mow it and use it as lawn etc but could hold a hell of a lot of water.
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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Giles said:
Wild Elland in the lakes has shown that slowing water and holding it higher up on the land can help flooding downstream, the years of dredging and canalising rivers to get the water away fast has been shown to increase flooding unless the capacity is massive

slowing water and holding at source and slowly realising it is advantages but instead we have all the farmers championing that cock wobble from Hereford and talking about common sense and dredging without any thought for the educated thinking, because they’d much rather have cities and towns flood than their own land which was historic flood plains!

years of development and tarmac concrete and drains means now water gets into the rivers too fast and causes the problems only now are we building attenuation cells and holding ponds etc. The americans been ahead of us having huge ponds And Lakes in sub divisions to hold water. Our American friends have an 11 acre garden but 5 ids bunded and has never flooded in their 20 years but is there if it ever is required they mow it and use it as lawn etc but could hold a hell of a lot of water.
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Yeah big business around here at the moment- leaky dams and attenuation pools going in everywhere. Some of it works some makes little difference IMO, has to be the right terrain but as you say getting farmers to agree to a bit of re-wetting is the trouble- unless theres a financial incentive then they suddenly seem keen🤣
 
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LKSF

Pennine Hillbilly
On the moors opposite us they put waterways in to drain it for Grouse (shooting) many years ago, this dried out the peat bogs which then started to release all the carbon they held into the atmosphere. The towns and villages below also began to flood too.
So now they're damming them up and flooding the peat bogs again, this means the water comes down looking like Tetleys (because the bogs are 'broken') so the water companies now spend thousands £££ per week cleaning it.

They're also trying to get Britains biggest windfarm put up there too, that'll make for a lovely view :rolleyes:
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
LKSF said:
On the moors opposite us they put waterways in to drain it for Grouse (shooting) many years ago, this dried out the peat bogs which then started to release all the carbon they held into the atmosphere. The towns and villages below also began to flood too.
So now they're damming them up and flooding the peat bogs again, this means the water comes down looking like Tetleys (because the bogs are 'broken') so the water companies now spend thousands £££ per week cleaning it.

They're also trying to get Britains biggest windfarm put up there too, that'll make for a lovely view :rolleyes:
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at least they're not trying to cover everything in sight in trees :mad:
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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Giles said:
Wild Elland in the lakes has shown that slowing water and holding it higher up on the land can help flooding downstream, the years of dredging and canalising rivers to get the water away fast has been shown to increase flooding unless the capacity is massive

slowing water and holding at source and slowly realising it is advantages but instead we have all the farmers championing that cock wobble from Hereford and talking about common sense and dredging without any thought for the educated thinking, because they’d much rather have cities and towns flood than their own land which was historic flood plains!

years of development and tarmac concrete and drains means now water gets into the rivers too fast and causes the problems only now are we building attenuation cells and holding ponds etc. The americans been ahead of us having huge ponds And Lakes in sub divisions to hold water. Our American friends have an 11 acre garden but 5 ids bunded and has never flooded in their 20 years but is there if it ever is required they mow it and use it as lawn etc but could hold a hell of a lot of water.
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Whose the cockwomble from Hereford?
 
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LKSF

Pennine Hillbilly
V8Druid said:
at least they're not trying to cover everything in sight in trees :mad:
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Oh they are, but I'd rather have those than 65 150m high wind turbines waving at me and no wildlife.
I doubt it'll go ahead as it is, it's classic scare tactics. If it does go through it'll be on a smaller scale, just hope it's not near us!
 
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Smiffy

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DaveDCB said:
I do think some selective dredging is required, let’s say the last few miles into the sea.. gotta help? Also dredging out ponds/reservoirs to hold the water?
Ranting angry impatient YouTube farmers who want everything yesterday don’t help!
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And debris needs to be cleared. They haven't cleaned the debris from Cobham bridge for years as it causes to much traffic as a lane needs closing so it has multiple big branches wedged under it which they know full well is bad for the bridge
 
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bobthebuilder

Well-known member
the cock wombles work
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the cock wombles work above ,the ea s work below ,and no house flooded this time so 100s of 1000s of pounds saved by the insurance companies

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Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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DaveDCB said:
I do think some selective dredging is required, let’s say the last few miles into the sea.. gotta help? Also dredging out ponds/reservoirs to hold the water?
Ranting angry impatient YouTube farmers who want everything yesterday don’t help!
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Agreed...there's places round here in sight of the sea that are an absolute cockup ...I posted a video a while back from our Tom. Any clown can tell that dredging them is only going to help everyone.
It's one of those things that's going to vary massively from area to area but I think we can all agree that building acres of tarmac and crappy hutches on what was once drained and ponded farmland is only going to end one way....without serious attention to water management.
 
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Monkeybusiness

Well-known member
DaveDCB said:
I do think some selective dredging is required, let’s say the last few miles into the sea.. gotta help? Also dredging out ponds/reservoirs to hold the water?
Ranting angry impatient YouTube farmers who want everything yesterday don’t help!
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Someone’s got your goat at the moment!
Turn off YouTube and step away from your screen……
 
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fred

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When it comes to dredging im no flooding scientist but our local river, the avon, was well over 8 feet deep when i was a teenager (could swim in it) now you can easily wade it if it weren't for the mud you would sink in upto your neck.

If your bath at home is full of muck to within 2" of the top and you turn the tap on the overflow is going to run a hell of a lot quicker than if there is no muck.

EA cant be arsed to dredge anymore as its not PC and actually requires effort and work that's performance is easily measured. They still charge for abstraction everywhere mind and pocket the lot.

As with anything gov run they are useless and rotten from the top down.
 
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