Oxy propane

[Shovelhands]

Probably such a small part of there business its unnoticeable.

I think the numbers will be bigger than you think. And even people on account had more cylinders than they had on paper. But still all buying the gas.
Maybe the bigger question is where is the money made, the gas or the rental?

 

[Smiffy]

I think the numbers will be bigger than you think. And even people on account had more cylinders than they had on paper. But still all buying the gas.
Maybe the bigger question is where is the money made, the gas or the rental?

Big in volume yes but as a percentage of the company I don't reckon very much. Not when compared to the quantities of other products used in industry. Plenty of tankers running around delivering gas and that certainly isn't for cutting or welding

 

[Nick...]

Had air products mig gas bottle and oxygen bottle to about 3 years ago.was very convenient but not missed at all now.was paying over £250 a year for bottle rent.got rid of both big bottles and now got a small bottle for mig gas from air products which you buy once and then pay for refills.no yearly bills now.sure you are all aware all bottles are bar coded to who ever has them so days of getting a dodgy bottle have gone.
nick…

 

[V8Druid]

The question is, are B O C better off now all the small users have stopped using their products and all the missing bottles have gone in a frag or were they actually making more money in the good old days of the Wild West?

unlikely ... BIG and AP have given them a serious kicking the last few years, especially on the larger customer's rates ..... if i hadn't been their agent and never ran out of gas myself, BIG or AP would've been very attractive proposition ... were circa 30% cheaper on a lot of product

 

[Mogman]

I get mine from the ‘yard’ have two oxy and a propane on the burning crate and have two argon mix for the mig and a acetylene all from air products but the best thing is they pay the rental and I’ve never payed for any gas just swap when I’m empty

 

[V8Druid]

I get mine from the ‘yard’ have two oxy and a propane on the burning crate and have two argon mix for the mig and a acetylene all from air products but the best thing is they pay the rental and I’ve never payed for any gas just swap when I’m empty

you lucky lad

when I was an agent they tried to charge me full whack for my own paperwork, which I did ...
got 90p/bottle for handling them ...
usually took 20-ish minutes to deal with a single customer and do the admin. .....

"do it again and you can come and get yer bottles - they'll be outside the gate in the morning." ...

cured the problem - their admin charges to customers were 20+ quid a visit - one or ten bottles.
my transactions were free from that point on ..
but still had to pay rental, so declared one O2/DA/As5 ...
and all the rest in the shop were my 'buckshees' acquired over the years.
Any rep.s that turned up didn't appear to have the first idea what my holdings were ..
or didn't want to rock the boat ...
more likely the former - their admin/paperwork was utter dogcrap
never got any preferential rates though, for the gases

only reason I did the agency thing was an unlimited stock of gas - never ran out myself - and could book as much as I liked through my account I 'used ' a LOT of gas

 

[AHPP]

I get mine from the ‘yard’ have two oxy and a propane on the burning crate and have two argon mix for the mig and a acetylene all from air products but the best thing is they pay the rental and I’ve never payed for any gas just swap when I’m empty

Hang on. Aren’t you the bloke on here who cuts steel boats to pieces?! You must go through tankers of gas.

 

[V8Druid]

Hang on. Aren’t you the bloke on here who cuts steel boats to pieces?! You must go through tankers of gas.

just don't tell his mate who owns the yard

 

[Bri963]

We’ve just dumped Bunch Of Crooks, so that’s around eighty bottles they’ve lost rental on.

 

[AHPP]

Time has passed. I now really have run out of getting away with not having one. Some sets are called cutting sets and come with a cutting torch with the trigger. Some are called heating/brazing sets and come with the elbow nozzles. Realistically, do you need both? Can I just get the cutting torch and use that for applying bending heat etc? I didn't realise how cheap the stuff is so happy to buy both if I need both but something cheap sat on a shelf is still sat on a shelf.

 

[V8Druid]

Time has passed. I now really have run out of getting away with not having one. Some sets are called cutting sets and come with a cutting torch with the trigger. Some are called heating/brazing sets and come with the elbow nozzles. Realistically, do you need both? Can I just get the cutting torch and use that for applying bending heat etc? I didn't realise how cheap the stuff is so happy to buy both if I need both but something cheap sat on a shelf is still sat on a shelf.

if you want to weld with gas you will need Oxy/DA (acetylene) - if just cutting / heating Oxy /Propane will suffice, but no where near as much heat from the propane flame as from a DA flame - if you need 'BIG' heat, with a pepper pot nozzle it will have to be DA - a 3mm Propane nozzle will however heat a fair area, but slower. Shop around your area as there are privateers who supply gases without rentals on the cylinders ..
all the big players BOC, Air Liquide, Air Products, etc. charge like wounded rhinos for both gases and rentals
the gear is cheap enough to buy these days, compared to say 20 years ago, when it was not a cheap game - but the gasses have become eye-wateringly dear in comparison.
this is a quality torch

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there are plenty of less costly copies about - ditto regulators
Parweld are a decent enough brand

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cheap enough kit for infrequent usage - 10m hoses are the min. length ideally - trying to use anything much shorter is a PITA

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the same kit assembled from BOC or Murex kit would cost you 4 times as much at least

 

[Lancs Lad]

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if you want to weld with gas you will need Oxy/DA (acetylene) - if just cutting / heating Oxy /Propane will suffice, but no where near as much heat from the propane flame as from a DA flame - if you need 'BIG' heat, with a pepper pot nozzle it will have to be DA - a 3mm Propane nozzle will however heat a fair area, but slower. Shop around your area as there are privateers who supply gases without rentals on the cylinders ..
all the big players BOC, Air Liquide, Air Products, etc. charge like wounded rhinos for both gases and rentals
the gear is cheap enough to buy these days, compared to say 20 years ago, when it was not a cheap game - but the gasses have become eye-wateringly dear in comparison.
this is a quality torch

Pardon our interruption...

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there are plenty of less costly copies about - ditto regulators
Parweld are a decent enough brand

Pardon our interruption...

cheap enough kit for infrequent usage - 10m hoses are the min. length ideally - trying to use anything much shorter is a PITA

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the same kit assembled from BOC or Murex kit would cost you 4 times as much at least

Pretty certain hobby weld do oxy ace. I use the little bottles at home for mig gas as dead handy for odd jobs and chucking in the truck etc.
Rent free etc.

 

[V8Druid]

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Pretty certain hobby weld do oxy ace. I use the little bottles at home for mig gas as dead handy for odd jobs and chucking in the truck etc.
Rent free etc.

yeh .. there're a couple in Hereford do rent free too, but very few of them do DA ... don't have the filling facilities - needs to be manufactured on site to refill cylinders --- BOC had a massive fire at their DA plant in Bristol 2008/2009 .. closed half of Bristol down for a couple of days - massive shortage of DA for months, as they'd not long closed their DA plant up country and were having to bring it in by the truck load from Belgium, for months, in cylinders - almost impossible to store in bulk.
DA = dissolved acetylene - dissolved in acetone, carried in asbestos chips in the cylinders - 's why they're so bloody heavy and must always be used upright - never lying down

 

[AHPP]

I'll be using propane and SGS rent free oxygen. I won't be welding. I want to buy a kit.

Do I get a kit with a cutting torch and use it for everything or also get the specific heating/brazing/bending nozzles?

Cutting torch kit (ignore the URL - it's for propane):

Oxygen + Acetylene Gas Cutting Kit with 18/90 Cutting Torch

Gas Welding Kit - Professional Oxygen + Propane Gas Cutting Kit, includes Regulators, Flash Arrestors, Hoses, Torch, Goggles and Spark Lighter

www.thewelderswarehouse.com

Heating/Brazing kit:

Oxy/Propane Heating & Brazing Kit with Heavy Duty Torch

Gas Welding Kit - Professional Oxygen + Propane Heating & Brazing Kit, includes Regulators, Flash Arrestors, Hoses, Torch, Goggles and Spark Lighter

www.thewelderswarehouse.com

 

[V8Druid]

I'll be using propane and SGS rent free oxygen. I won't be welding. I want to buy a kit.

Do I get a kit with a cutting torch and use it for everything or also get the specific heating/brazing/bending nozzles?

Cutting torch kit (ignore the URL - it's for propane):

Oxygen + Acetylene Gas Cutting Kit with 18/90 Cutting Torch

Gas Welding Kit - Professional Oxygen + Propane Gas Cutting Kit, includes Regulators, Flash Arrestors, Hoses, Torch, Goggles and Spark Lighter

www.thewelderswarehouse.com

Heating/Brazing kit:

Oxy/Propane Heating & Brazing Kit with Heavy Duty Torch

Gas Welding Kit - Professional Oxygen + Propane Heating & Brazing Kit, includes Regulators, Flash Arrestors, Hoses, Torch, Goggles and Spark Lighter

www.thewelderswarehouse.com

you can't use a welding torch set up with propane " Oxygen + Propane or Propylene is not suitable for welding "
as far as the " available as an option is a Super Heating Attachment with two Nozzles. " goes - I would want it in writing that it'll run propane - can't see how they can do it with that nozzle
your cutting kit is virtually the same as the one I put up for 75 quid more, but half the hose length (forget trying to use 5m hoses - nightmare) and fewer nozzles clocks look cheap and nasty too

those interchangeable head torches are ok for light-ish work or fine cutting with an AFN type - but not a fan for anything heavy

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I have NM250s, a couple of the bigger interchangeable head torches and a couple of the lighter AFN type & a dedicated heating torch for DA - -- - horses for courses
just found a pepper pot to suit an NM250 for propane too which'd be handy - might order one meself

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and if you're planning on some real heat an NM400's the boy to keep you away from it a bit

NM400 Gas Cutting Welding Blowpipe Torch 27" 75° Head * Oxygen Acetylene Propane | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for NM400 Gas Cutting Welding Blowpipe Torch 27" 75° Head * Oxygen Acetylene Propane at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products.

www.ebay.co.uk

 

[AHPP]

Can someone screenshot my posts please. I think they might be being encrypted on upload.

CAN I HEAT, BRAZE, BEND ETC WITH A CUTTING TORCH?

 

[doobin]

Can someone screenshot my posts please. I think they might be being encrypted on upload.

CAN I HEAT, BRAZE, BEND ETC WITH A CUTTING TORCH?

With the right size nozzle, yes.

I've never had any luck getting that pepperpot the Druid posted a photo of working. It takes its oxy from the cutting lever channel and as soon as I press the lever it blows out.

Brazing you will find cumbersome even with a small nozzle, on the end of a bloody great cutting torch. I have a splitter on my pipes and a small brazing torch, which also comes in handy for heating inside pipes and deep bosses etc where you are restricted.

 

[AHPP]

Cheers, roobydoobs. The main job I need to now do is bend some 12mm round bar round some pretty tight corners. Thinking I’ll get the heating/brazing elbow torch kit and add a cutting torch when I’ve got used to it. Sound about right?

 

[Bri963]

I’m a bit lost here, AHPP, are you using propane or DA? If DA I’d suggest a Sapphire torch set, you can use the same torch with a cutting nozzle, rosebud or welding nozzles. My experience, bending something like 12 mm bar, a no. 10 nozzle uses less gas than a cutting torch, concentrates the heat and is easier to get a tight bend. I use a Sapphire cutting torch more than a dedicated torch and have done 1” plate before now. Downside is if you use one at its limits too much you’ll be replacing O rings a bit more frequently.

 

[JD450A]

Personally I wouldn't Fk around with propane.

My bottles cost around £360 rent Per annum plus refills...... Well worth it.