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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
well that's all them slings and tackle 'fooked' :rolleyes:...... cheap cost to get it out though (y)
 
pettsy

pettsy

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Knowing all the method statements and paperwork Im surprised there isnt something for machine breaking down on a beach. I seem to remember @JD450A working on a beach a while ago and having a machine for recovery if anything went wrong?
 
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Monkeybusiness

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Knowing all the method statements and paperwork Im surprised there isnt something for machine breaking down on a beach. I seem to remember @JD450A working on a beach a while ago and having a machine for recovery if anything went wrong?
Also shows youll never get bogged plant off a wet sandy beach with a rising tide without a serious winch - the suction is phenomenal.
In the recovery pics there is also a big yellow wrecker in attendance that doesnt appear to be used - I bet you that was only there as a fall-back if the main recovery truck got bogged.
Ive got a big hydraulic winch on my tractor that we used to get a mates stuck JS160 out of running sand. My whole tractor was off the ground pivoting around the spade-legs so we ended up having to chain a second tractor to the front to get the full-pull - even with the digger working to free itself it took an incredible effort to break the suction (and it was nowhere near as stuck as the digger on the beach in the posts above).

 
CPS

CPS

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They did have a big winch truck there and it did the work as I seen in other pictures somewhere, it had its line doubled up a few times and anchored to a couple of Volvo dump trucks.
I think the machine where just there to steady it up and stop it going over
 
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Monkeybusiness

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They did have a big winch truck there and it did the work as I seen in other pictures somewhere, it had its line doubled up a few times and anchored to a couple of Volvo dump trucks.
I think the machine where just there to steady it up and stop it going over
Absolutely they did drag it out with a big winch.
The day before theyd been trying to drag it out with a couple of ADTs and another digger and failed (hence the tide coming in over it),which shows how much suction was holding it in!
 
Grahams

Grahams

Don't complain - suggest what's better
So, what is the best recovery method? Forget anything moving to try and pull it out and get a winch with enough cable it can sit on firm ground and just grind it out?
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Looking at the news article there is a photo of it under the water anyway. So the digger is obviously going to be an insurance claim.
doubt you could even see it at high tide
 
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Monkeybusiness

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So, what is the best recovery method? Forget anything moving to try and pull it out and get a winch with enough cable it can sit on firm ground and just grind it out?
A combination of everything Id say. Dig around it where possible to reduce the ground anchor effect and potentially open up a ramp to climb out of the hole. I think in the beach recovery they also used a couple of diggers to pull either way on the stuck machines boom to wobble it in the hole to try and break the suction as they winched it.
If possible, winch/pull up as well as out - run the tow cable over bogmats or similar to gain lift.
A properly anchored winch will provide incredible amounts of pull - not necessarily more than big machines can achieve but the issue is delivering that pull into the tow rope. If you are pulling on sand most machines will spin their tyres/tracks fairly easily.
The pics and vids from the previous days failed recovery attempts showed the ADTs spinning up whilst attempting recovery. They had no load in them though, which I reckon was a mistake as they would have benefitted from better traction if full/heavy IMO and may possibly have saved the digger from the tide (though that is obviously huge conjecture). Interestingly the successful recovery firm used the dump trucks as ground anchors but filled them up first.
 
GazCro

GazCro

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With anything involving boggy/waterlogged/wet sand etc you've got to get on to of the job straight away. That's why people have said on facebook if you're working on the beach have recovery there ready at all times. When it goes wrong the more you mess about the worse it gets fast.
 
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Monkeybusiness

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With anything involving boggy/waterlogged/wet sand etc you've got to get on to of the job straight away. That's why people have said on facebook if you're working on the beach have recovery there ready at all times. When it goes wrong the more you mess about the worse it gets fast.
The tide cannot be stopped - if you break down or get bogged you are in the shite very quickly.
Ive heard that some of the big coastal defence firms plumb in connectors to their machines to enable the basics to be operated if hydraulically powered up by a second machine - it allows a broken down machine to be tracked up the beach in case of an engine problem etc. Probably never be needed, but would be the best money ever spent on the one occasion it was!
I wouldnt personally work anywhere tidal without a big winch immediately to hand. Its a pretty basic piece of kit to have on site if thats the sort of work you undertake Id have thought.
 
TiltyShaun

TiltyShaun

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I have not had beach experience, but for different reasons I have been involved with different recoveries of various bits of kit.

One thing I have learnt is ballast so the recovering vehicle doesnt get pulled into the mess. Also the power of doubling , tripling or quadrupling the power of the pull by using winch blocks. Basic physics that most of us have forgotten from our school days!!!!

2 years ago I was taught how to winch a car backwards when it only had a front winch and luckily a few trees!! That one really did have my head scratching!!
 
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