JD450A
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Drivers’ hours and tachographs: goods vehicles - 1. Assimilated and AETR rules on drivers’ hours - Guidance - GOV.UK
How the assimilated drivers' hours rules for goods vehicles work.
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The bible
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fred
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That’s why I said towing is main business , moving digger to site is not hence not needed. Every tree chopper dragging a chipper would need one otherwise. Stay below 7.5 and have an old driving licence is the crack.
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fred
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Drivers’ hours and tachographs: goods vehicles - 1. Assimilated and AETR rules on drivers’ hours - Guidance - GOV.UK
How the assimilated drivers' hours rules for goods vehicles work.www.gov.uk
The bible
yep that’s confirms the exemption
JD450A
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Depends on how you move the digger.
Move digger to site - Drop off for your labourer to use - Drive home - Tacho
Move digger to site - Stay on site to use machine - Drive Home - No Tacho
Very specific. Not about the towing being the main business. More about what the drivers role is and whether driving the road going vehicle is there main occupation or not. Just been looking through this for the past month to confirm that I can work the way I intend to without a Drivers CPC.... Head is fried from it but that's the situation, better to tell everyone that than have people thinking they are covered when they aren't.
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fred
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not quite
Unless the chap who is dropping the labourer off does nothing but drive the truck then he is exempt as driving is incidental to the job. Would be exactly same if you let the labourer drive. He is a labourer not a driver.
only changed if you are dropping off the digger as someone has hired it off you.
heck even the volumetric Conc wagons have only just gone restricted O licence , they got away with it for years.
TiltyShaun
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Fred, just for clarity, it is Sunday and I might have had a beer, but I am reading what you are saying is that the driver is driving all day. Now this might be my confusion, but the driver of the vehicle HAS to be the driver of the digger,not the labourer as pointed out by Rory.
JD450A
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Very fine line, to be honest I would'nt be chancing that having looked into it.
The incidental driver thing can change in a instance. For example if I did the following
Take digger and skip to site - Drop off digger and use machine to work for the day - { Leave site and drive to another job where a labourer has been en route to exchange skip he has loaded - Drive home loaded..... Where I have put the { driving the lorry goes from a incidental operation to technically a non incidental driving role. Incidental driving only accounts when the driver is transporting materials or plant they are personally using, and one can hop in and out of that bracket throughout the day.
In a similar fashion, If I took a pickup and trailer out loaded with equipment for another person to use whilst I do a completely different job on the same site. It is also arguable that I have transported those goods in a non incidental role... there was no need for me to take that equipment to site as I am not personally using it.
A Scaffolder who loads only his own vehicle and takes materials and/or equipment to site and erects it then he is exempt. BUT if he loads a vehicle or ‘drops off’ materials to another site for another operative then he is not exempt.
Correct, It is Sunday and I am drinking Port. Driver of the vehicle has to be the user of the transported goods/machine or the creator of the dis-guarded materials to be transported. If not you are performing a non incidental operation and thus a tachograph is technically required above 3.5t.
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Brendan
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Wouldn't the 7.5t van be over this ruling as the 7.5t will be 11t gtw for maximum permissable mass.
Volumetrics for around it as they are mobile plant rather than a vehicle
JD450A
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No as your maximum permissible mass is based on the combination your driving at the time. So a 4x2 7.5t vehicle is exactly that until you hook a 3.5t drag up then it becomes 11t... Otherwise you would'nt be able to take a 7.5t lorry down a 7.5t restricted limit road would you.
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fred
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It’s not a 7.5 tonner different vehicle class at 7.2
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Smiffy
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Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't that exemption exclude you from using the vehicle to collect materials from a 3rd party ??
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Brendan
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Assumed anything over 3.5t is classed as 7.5t hence being able to do a 7.5t driving test in a 4t van
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Brendan
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As long materials for the driver's own use and driving is not their main job and with 100km radius, tacho exempt
Quattromike
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I don't think there is a 7.5 ton test anymore. Is it not just C then C+E ?
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Smiffy
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But I didn't you could go round collecting the materials I thought it was literally yard to site with tools and materials rather than via builders merchants
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Brendan
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Think it's c1 upto 7.5 then c
JD450A
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C1 and C1+E is the 7.5t class test.
You can collect whatever materials required provided your using them or have created the waste or product.
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fred
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C1E is the ability to tow over 750
no tests other than car needed below 7.5, towing depends on when you passed your test.
no tests other than car needed below 7.5, towing depends on when you passed your test.
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fred
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Just to further muddy the water I gave c1 snd c1e and have only ever done car test.
They are not needed though for a daily 7.2 as long as your train weight is not more than 7 tons so you could technically be pulled if you had say 2 tons on the daily and a max weight trailer as well.
They are not needed though for a daily 7.2 as long as your train weight is not more than 7 tons so you could technically be pulled if you had say 2 tons on the daily and a max weight trailer as well.
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Brendan
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I don't think that is correct, it's based on vehicle weight so once you cross 3.5t mam it's c1
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