Lynch fined £800k for no movement order!

JD450A

JD450A

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I’m a bit confused now. That lynch statement seems to say it’s just a clerical error that’s caused it, and that vehicle, trailer and load have been on same route before and been fully legal!?

Yes.

If the police had any balls they would be asking now why the other photographed lorry has questionable infringements..... But alas they won't.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

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jd6820

jd6820

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I’m a bit confused now. That lynch statement seems to say it’s just a clerical error that’s caused it, and that vehicle, trailer and load have been on same route before and been fully legal!?
The outfit almost certainly wasn't within the 44,000kg allowable without movement order. I'd say the paperwork was probably for another vehicle which then automatically renders this vehicle overweight even though it was capable of carrying the load safely. My estimated weights put the vehicle at 46,185kg approx. So perfectly acceptable for the trailer and tractor unit provided the outfit was Special Types approved to at least CAT 1 standards.

Komatsu PC215 with bucket and 700mm pads - 22850kg
Digging Bucket - 700kg
2ft bucket - 500kg
Tractor unit - 9200kg
Trailer - 11935kg
Excess items/margin - 1000kg
Total weight - 46185kg

IMO the infringements I would have expected are as follows:

No marking of extremities when wider than 2.9m or over 300mm beyond side of trailer. This machine counts as oversize because the spec shows excavator having a shipping width of 3.080m on 700m pads (>2.9m requires movement order) and width markers. Which the trailer is actually fitted with!

The combination is subject to a movement order due to the combination weight, this order has to match the tractor unit and trailer. Which in this case it didn't regardless of the outfit being safe to carry the load shown.

Poor load securing of 2ft bucket, very easy for that chain to come slack due to 4ft bucket not being against immovable objects, then the dipper being secured by a ratchet strap to prevent slewing. Bucket could have been rested against tracks to further prevent movement and then should have been secured with chains.

I would also be wanting to check axle weights on the tractor unit too given the machine and buckets are mostly distributed at the neck. But I suspect they may be within limits.


In all reality, correct use of fitted marker boards and correct securing of the items mentioned are the only offences not covered by incorrect paperwork and a quick adjustment at the roadside would have easily resolved these issues. I think education is required rather than getting the industry knocked by imposing fines for infringements no matter how minor. There are a large number of rules that require careful reading. Especially when moving abnormal loads...
 
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6feetdown

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The outfit almost certainly wasn't within the 44,000kg allowable without movement order. I'd say the paperwork was probably for another vehicle which then automatically renders this vehicle overweight even though it was capable of carrying the load safely. My estimated weights put the vehicle at 46,185kg approx. So perfectly acceptable for the trailer and tractor unit provided the outfit was Special Types approved to at least CAT 1 standards.

Komatsu PC215 with bucket and 700mm pads - 22850kg
Digging Bucket - 700kg
2ft bucket - 500kg
Tractor unit - 9200kg
Trailer - 11935kg
Excess items/margin - 1000kg
Total weight - 46185kg

IMO the infringements I would have expected are as follows:

No marking of extremities when wider than 2.9m or over 300mm beyond side of trailer. This machine counts as oversize because the spec shows excavator having a shipping width of 3.080m on 700m pads (>2.9m requires movement order) and width markers. Which the trailer is actually fitted with!

The combination is subject to a movement order due to the combination weight, this order has to match the tractor unit and trailer. Which in this case it didn't regardless of the outfit being safe to carry the load shown.

Poor load securing of 2ft bucket, very easy for that chain to come slack due to 4ft bucket not being against immovable objects, then the dipper being secured by a ratchet strap to prevent slewing. Bucket could have been rested against tracks to further prevent movement and then should have been secured with chains.

I would also be wanting to check axle weights on the tractor unit too given the machine and buckets are mostly distributed at the neck. But I suspect they may be within limits.


In all reality, correct use of fitted marker boards and correct securing of the items mentioned are the only offences not covered by incorrect paperwork and a quick adjustment at the roadside would have easily resolved these issues. I think education is required rather than getting the industry knocked by imposing fines for infringements no matter how minor. There are a large number of rules that require careful reading. Especially when moving abnormal loads...
Maybe they've had a lot of warnings previously or possibly even prosecutions.
A pity the transit brigade were not as sort after.
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pettsy

pettsy

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Whilever there’s the “if it’s on it’s gone” mentality, people will keep pulling stupid loads. If I was a haulier I’d be furious at what the “agricultural” tractor and lowloader brigade currently get away with daily while more rules and regulations are imposed on them.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

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Lads, have a look.... hes on private land.... nowhere in that video is the tractor on a public road 😉
nah -- they'd turned the camera off by the time it hit the blacktop :rolleyes:
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Whilever there’s the “if it’s on it’s gone” mentality, people will keep pulling stupid loads. If I was a haulier I’d be furious at what the “agricultural” tractor and lowloader brigade currently get away with daily while more rules and regulations are imposed on them.
hence my comment above
......and where is plod when there's some real violations going on ??? :rolleyes:
 
TiltyShaun

TiltyShaun

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That article mentions turnover based fines. They make a mockery of justice as another operator making the same mistake does not face the same fate. Very similar to the biased prison sentence rules that have recently been blocked after an uproar.
I have read that are appealing the fine. Will be interesting to see what comes of it. Lynch are claiming the load was legal but the paperwork was void as they had put another registration number in, hence only clerical error.
 
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