Kinshofer Nox?

[Engcon UK]

interesting that Steelwrist have never developed / taken this further ..... might just say summat about them and as said Engcon's version's been all but abandoned AFAIK .. 'praps Robert @Engcon UK could clarify that one ?? ....... the idea is great in principle .... just doesn't cut the mustard BTLs James .. More's the pity

I did put a comparison on Ram vs. Helac in my note on Tilty selection a few weeks ago, but for the record Graham is correct in that Engcon built one of these for Bauma 2013 (Kinshofer is a German company and has had some success with these in their home market). Didn't sell - end of. If you do any sideways digging - which is one of the key benefits of having a tilty - then you will be using the breakout forces from the rams and, to put it bluntly, a helac drive just doesn't have the power. If anyone from Kinshofer is claiming that the tilting torque is equivalent to a ram-powered tilty then I'd be astounded: their website is clear enough on this point and anyone researching tilties should check the figures from all manufacturers.

Helac-driven tilties do have benefits. They can be lighter, narrower and don't have rams or hoses protruding. Standard tilty manufacturers offer twin-hitch options for this. For the record, the datasheet that accompanied the Engcon helac-powered tilty is reproduced below:

 

[shaun1969]

Is anyone here running a Kinshofer Nox tilty?

I’m interested to know what they are like.

Hi Yes I have that system. Ask any thing you want to know..

 

[shaun1969]

Well firstly i know there has always been a great debate about tiltrotators, also like football teams some folk are very brand loyal to a point they trash anything else unless its theirs. On the The British Construction Equipment Forum there was so many arguments about it I drifted away from any discussion about tiltys.

So I want to make it clear from the start I've tried most and there all very good. All have bits that are a little better and some worse. Its so small that truth is all the systems work well and any make will make a world of difference between having one and not.

Mine is a TR14 fitted to a JCB JS140. I do mainly farm work, landscaping and woodland work. As a farmer I do most work for local farmers within a 10-20 mile radius.
This includes ditching ,land clearance, driveways and hard landscaping etc. I have a large grading beam and an exact-1tree shear as well as normal bucket range. I used to run wheeled diggers and did site and civil work before for over 10 years but this type of work goes well with the farm and sign workshops I still run.

The Nox so far (18 months on) has not let me down, it is easy to maintain only having 2 grease points. As a company to deal with I cannot fault them. There engineers and sale team are helpful and their technical department has guy from Finland that has years of experience working with tiltrotators and understand how there used as opposed to just a dealer with zero time in the industry in the seat.

Working with the tree shears in thick dense trees and hedge lines i think maybe a advantage not got any rams to get in the way. However that does not mean I could not do it with rams fitted. Also its a slim unit for trench work. The gripper at the back is very strong and well built.

I hear a lot of people who have never used this system say it must drift as rams are stronger and this seems to be a major factor to not look at this system any further. Well truth is I've never notices any drift or deviation when working batters or bank work even in stony hard ground.
I know kinshofer uk were setting up a demo fitted to a 8 ton machine for anyone to try.
There are many advantages over the NOX if your looking to have a double hitch system and also have 2d or 3d systems fitted. Also quick oil on engcon is a great asset to have if your constantly changing oil based attachments . I know Kinshofer hope in the near future to have these also and are currently in developing . There working with Leica to have a 2d - 3d system available they have told me soon.
So I think it comes down to personal choice really. I could be just as happy with any other however I'm pleased I did go for a nox. It fits my line of work well and its a good old fashioned company to work with that knows customer loyalty and after care are equally important as the kit they sell. After all they have been making very good grabs for years.
If anyone has any questions I am happy to answers. I will post some working pictures soon.

 

[RPA Media]

I went out to see the one in Devon and he loved the unit and the back-up from Kinshofer. Was open and honest about the limitations of not having rams but said it doesn't stop him doing anything. The reasoning behind going for the NOX was the reduction in width as he undertakes a lot of deep and narrow drainage so doesn't have to remove the tilty.
Also been to see a bloke using the Liebherr system. Loves the versatility and says it's ideal for the work he undertakes, forest road management.
Paul

 

[fred]

I went out to see the one in Devon and he loved the unit and the back-up from Kinshofer. Was open and honest about the limitations of not having rams but said it doesn't stop him doing anything. The reasoning behind going for the NOX was the reduction in width as he undertakes a lot of deep and narrow drainage so doesn't have to remove the tilty.
Also been to see a bloke using the Liebherr system. Loves the versatility and says it's ideal for the work he undertakes, forest road management.
Paul

This would be better for me as well - at least on the mini digger.

 

[BertB.]

Some information I got from the Kinshofer dealer here in Canada hopefully these pdf's loaded up properly.

 

[Komatsu]

Is anyone here running a Kinshofer Nox tilty?

I’m interested to know what they are like.

If your able to get hold of Kinshofer and get the details of Steve Bennitt, he had Eddies old Kubota and engcon and has also taken a Kinshofer on a CAT backhoe, so would be ideally placed to tell the difference from real experience.

 

[Furniss]

Will follow this thread with interest ........I have asked before about Nox and got no positive response - was told tilt becomes breakout digging sideways and so on but I still think it might be a worthwhile compromise .... esp on a mini digger.

 

[BertB.]

Will follow this thread with interest ........I have asked before about Nox and got no positive response - was told tilt becomes breakout digging sideways and so on but I still think it might be a worthwhile compromise .... esp on a mini digger.

I've tried powertilt's before and didn't find anything untoward with them. Much of what I've seen when I inquired on BCEF and elsewhere was largely speculation and they do have a lot of articulation which could be good in a lot of places.

 

[Komatsu]

couple of better pix of the Liebherr solution with a horizontal ram set and linkage to the upper carriage

View attachment 2695

Interestingly at the show Gra, while Liebherr were promoting there LIKUFIX stystem, I don't recall seeing there tiltrotator there.
However what they did have, front of house on there stand, was the LIKUFIX, stystem on an Engcon, with various attachments to suit, not the best of pictures but you should be able to see the system which Engcon have integrated into the tiltrotator top and bottom.

 

[Shovelhands]

Had a good chat with a Nox owner this afternoon, he was full of praise for the Nox and Kinshofer themselves.
Interestingly he had not experienced, or had feedback from his operators, with regards to a lack of tilting power and/or drifting out of position.

 

[V8Druid]

Had a good chat with a Nox owner this afternoon, he was full of praise for the Nox and Kinshofer themselves.
Interestingly he had not experienced, or had feedback from his operators, with regards to a lack of tilting power and/or drifting out of position.

wonder what they're like with a pack of blocks on a pallet side tilting ??

 

[doobin]

What's so good about the LIKUFIX? It looks like the old Terex system, which was a nighmare for wear.

 

[Komatsu]

What's so good about the LIKUFIX? It looks like the old Terex system, which was a nighmare for wear.

The LIKUFIX stystem is Liebherrs equivent to EC-oil and oil quick.

 

[Komatsu]

Had a good chat with a Nox owner this afternoon, he was full of praise for the Nox and Kinshofer themselves.
Interestingly he had not experienced, or had feedback from his operators, with regards to a lack of tilting power and/or drifting out of position.

Seen today somewhere that someone is selling one??, but can’t for the life of me remember where I’d seen it....think it’s on one of the other social media forums??

 

[Antony Holmes]

Seen today somewhere that someone is selling one??, but can’t for the life of me remember where I’d seen it....think it’s on one of the other social media forums??

on face book Lee Innes on the tiltrotator operators intl

tofit 140 doosan

 

[Shovelhands]

So...dragging this one up from the depths of the forum......

In case anyone new is looking at these, I’ve got one now, fitted to my 86c. It took a while for me to justify/afford the purchase, but i ended up placing an order, in spring this year. I was going for a TR10, but by the time I was ready to place an order Kinshofer were just about to launch a new updated range. So the TR10 became a TR11, apparently the new range had improved tilting forces over outgoing models iirc. long story short, the order was placed, and the Nox was fitted over the summer when I’m not using the machine at all, which suited me.

I didn’t get to use it properly until October, and I’ve only clocked probably 150hours on it since, so it early days I suppose.
Having run a (very heavy built) tilt bucket under a Hill hitch for several years now, I can honestly say the tilty is much lighter, I've unfortunately never weighed the tilt bucket, but I had a good idea/guess of its weight, and just with conservative fag packet kinda maths I knew the tilty setup would be lighter. However, if you are coming from standard buckets and a hitch, then you should obviously expect to notice an increase in weight, but it was the other way round for me.
The machine handles it very well imo, I’m still getting used to it, but I'm getting there, its becoming more natural to operate.
One thing I was keen on having it for was Grab work, sadly I’ve not had the opportunity to use it yet in this application, but I cannot see it disappointing me.
There were many negative comments on this thread about the Nox system, but I can’t say I’m noticing any negatives. The tilt does not drift, as far as I can tell, and seems to have enough power for what I’m doing. Ive got nothing to compare it to, so I won’t say it’s as powerful as rams, because I just don’t know. But it’s doing all I’m currently asking of it.
So all in all I can’t really fault the thing. As I’ve said it’s early days, and maybe this time next year I will have a different opinion, who knows, but so far so good. For anyone tilty shopping, Id certainly not overlook one.

 

[Furniss]

Hey you kept that quiet - looking forward to a bit more info regarding control setup and gripper, buckets etc
Also interesting comments about the weights.... I use a heavy built tilt bucket as well and its a handy bucket but takes a fair bit away from the machine with the weight, so I would experience the same positive change.

Did I mention photos ?

 

[fred]

what influenced your decision on the kins rather than the opposition?

Looks really tidy.

 

[sjs5060]

what influenced your decision on the kins rather than the opposition?

Looks really tidy.

This, and how did it compare price wise?