GazCro
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Why do you think its too long, do you think they have used boom off e17 and added longer dipper without adding extra boom length so geometry doesn't work out.
C
Chase Building
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Can comfortably tow it, barge is a newish L200 automatic, trailer is an 8ft ifor with a 10ft tipper due in Jan.
Bobcat comes in at just under 1800kg so is closer in weight to the TB216 than the 219
Long stick seems to be the way to go then, awkward on occasion I can cope with.
I'll have to see how the E19 compares to the 219, but there is a fair difference in the price.
doobin
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No idea just going on what I’ve heard. Will be using grab and rotator or tilt hitch a lot so short arm was a no brainer.
GazCro
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By the time you get a hitch and bucket on a 219 it'll 2.1 ton, but easily towable.
GazCro
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Yeah probably not a bad shout then might once in while wish you'd had the extra little bit of reach but probably not as much as it would be a nuisance with grabs etc. Doesnt matter on bucket work.
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powercom
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personally my view would be considering that we ended up with Japanese manufacture's here in the UK like komatsu and Nissan , and Hitachi with a factory in Nederland's was directly as a result of the EU putting anti dumping tax on jap product being sold at less than production cost.
I would not be remotely surprised if the Chinese state is funding allot of producers many of whom are part owned by the Chinese state to sell product at below production cost to gain market share and keep factories busy .
That is good thing if you are in the market for a cheap digger but not for the longevity of existing manufactures and dealers here in the UK.
I have to say I am also a little skeptical of the often said remark of "its made up of blue chip parts , pumps, track motors , and Cummins/perrkins engine" or what ever I have often herd people complaining that the Chinese Generator they bough with a Deutz /Perkins/cummins engine and a branded alternator that they cant any parts for because they are approximate copies not genuine and just different enough to stop interchangeability or maybe avoid patent infringement !!!
C
Chase Building
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Been over to see the local Takeuchi dealer and had a play in the yard with a 216.
Very impressed with fit and finish, and everything seems well engineered at a glance.
To me it felt much smoother than the Kubota we had on hire last year. Kubota did have near on a thousand hours on it though in it's defence.
Felt incredibly stable at full extension over the side with tracks out, granted that's without a grading bucket full of clay mud.
Aux control on the floor but I don't use it enough for that to be a problem to me.
Just have to wait and see how the E19 stacks up in the flesh.
On paper the E19 is the winner but we'll see.
Very impressed with fit and finish, and everything seems well engineered at a glance.
To me it felt much smoother than the Kubota we had on hire last year. Kubota did have near on a thousand hours on it though in it's defence.
Felt incredibly stable at full extension over the side with tracks out, granted that's without a grading bucket full of clay mud.
Aux control on the floor but I don't use it enough for that to be a problem to me.
Just have to wait and see how the E19 stacks up in the flesh.
On paper the E19 is the winner but we'll see.
GazCro
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Be patient and try a 219
doobin
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The main issue with the 216 I found to be the slew- it was jerky and hard to control.
The standard E19 aux is on the floor too, it's a £615 option to have proportional rollers that do the aux and the boom offset. When I was looking around, Takeuchi couldn't do that at all, much less twin auxillaries.
Also with Bobcat if you want a second aux (press a button and it changes between offset and aux 2) it's a £500 option if you specifiy it for the build.
doobin
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The 'short arm' is on paper still as long as my 'long arm' hyundai! I'd happily go shorter- if I need more reach I'd use the E27.
People were saying the long arm E19 is awkward to grade with and can't push dirt away from itself.
Neilporteous
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I bought a TB219 in May this year.
It was between the 219, Yanmar SV18 and Bobcat E20.
Cost wasn’t really a concern as it’s a long term investment so there’s no point in worrying about a thousand pounds here or there, it’s best to get the machine that suits your needs the best.
Hands down the 219 was the best machine, all round, very good reach and stable at full reach aswell, powerful hydraulics, and based on the old model cab with no horrible electronics.
Very chunky king post construction.
I would recommend having a go in one before making your decision.
It was between the 219, Yanmar SV18 and Bobcat E20.
Cost wasn’t really a concern as it’s a long term investment so there’s no point in worrying about a thousand pounds here or there, it’s best to get the machine that suits your needs the best.
Hands down the 219 was the best machine, all round, very good reach and stable at full reach aswell, powerful hydraulics, and based on the old model cab with no horrible electronics.
Very chunky king post construction.
I would recommend having a go in one before making your decision.
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Storrsy
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The TB216 is definitely a stable machine- good slab of steel sticking far out beyond the tracks. I’d also agree that it’s finished a lot better than the previous TB016- that era of Takeuchis had a name for poor paint but the 216 looks like they’ve done a good job of that, cab is a bit bigger too.
As Doobin says though the main issue is the slew, it’s inaccurate, very easy to overshoot with it- I don’t know why tbh- but does seem to have a lot of play (Side to side) in it from new. I also find the breakout force well under par. If I’m scooping type 1 out of a dumper for example it can struggle to curl the bucket through the stone. The lifting capacity also isn’t great- but I also didn’t actually think the old TB016 was that great either in that respect, but in general was a far better machine to operate.
Storrsy
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Lovely, the arm on that looks so much more convincing than the 216. May I ask what you paid for it?
Regy53
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Love the blades on the Takeuchis
C
Chase Building
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Blade was very chunky and out of the way of counterweight thanks to the curve of arms.
Only downside is that the extensions are bolt on rather than dropping a pin but for longevity that may be better.
Besides, I've always got an impact driver on site so 4 bolts is a 1 minute job if I need to squeeze through a tight space.
Storrsy
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Is it just the camera, but the grey panel just above the TB219 logo looks all caved in!?
GazCro
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Extensions should be pins not bolts on takeuchi
C
Chase Building
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Was definitely bolts on their 2020 build 216, they had 4 in stock. The 219 might be different but this one was left hand extension bolted inside right hand of blade, right hand bolted to left. They looked to be M18 bolts
Neilporteous
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This one was £20k plus vat with a quick hitch and 3 buckets
Neilporteous
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Extensions on my 219 are pins
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