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Grahams

Grahams

Don't complain - suggest what's better
China manufacturing is an interesting subject and I import quite a bit from China. They can engineer as good as the rest of them but it always comes down to cost. As an example one of the items I have made over there is a toothbrush and get 50k manufactured a time to my own design, packed in a blister pack. These currently cost me 0.13 USD / unit. They are high quality and have never (touch wood) had a single problem or return. I have never knocked the factory down on price. I know if I wanted I could cut the manufacturing price at least half but with consequences. Lower grade materials would be used in manufacture, processes would be missed and/or sped up and no quality control at the end. The manufacturer knows I want a top quality product with all the certification and that I am willing to pay the premium for that. That said it is still a fraction of what I could get it made for in the UK (if I could get one made here!). At the other end, a mate of mine used to have digital cameras made for him out there. They were very, very low end budget cameras, manufactured at the cheapest price possible and came in a blister pack. If I remember rightly I think they retailed for about 20quid. He worked on 40% returns as faulty. It was more profitable for him to throw away 40% including all the man hours and postage dealing with that than get them made to a higher quality. It's a fascinating market. Now back onto plant, I'm sure the Chinese could manufacture an excavator that could match up to all the known brands and even be better if they wanted to and retail at a fraction of the cost of current machines, and they might! The danger is finding that manufacturer and who's going to put their hand in their pocket first to test the water and risk getting stung. Then of course there's the problem of does the product you bought even resemble the pre production sample that was sent to you or tried out (that's a whole nuther story)!
I think you have got to the nub of it. If you can find the right manufacturer and get them to understand what you want you can get excellent products, but there are a lot of cultural differences which make that very difficult. I've bought stuff that was exactly as ordered and been great and I've bought stuff that turned up nothing like the agreed spec and was crap.
 
Regy53

Regy53

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Quadzilla quads were the same, they were the top Chinese quads, if you want cheaper, you will get cheaper but only in the product itself.

They were brilliant quads for the money (CF Moto)
 
C

Chase Building

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Definitely looking for something from one of the bigger/more established brands.
Hanix went under the week after I bought the digger, so getting hold of spares left me with Machine Serve and sod all locally.
Luckily it was a strong machine and all it needed in the time I had it was oil/filter and new seals on dipper cylinder.

I'm going to see local Takeuchi digger tomorrow for a poke round. They've given me prices on the 216 (in stock) and 219 (January).
Bobcat dealer seems very keen since I mentioned other brands so may be a deal to be had there.
 
C

Chase Building

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It’s widely agreed here that the 216 is a dog of a machine. I’d wait for the 219 if you want a tak.
Yeah that seems to be the consensus.
I want a go in one so I can compare the Bobcat to it.

We had a KX015 on hire before I bought the Hanix, and that was a great machine.

Then again I'm comparing it to a near on 30 year old 1.2t machine

There's 2 grand in it between the 216 and 219. 216 is priced same as the E19
 
Furniss

Furniss

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Seen a
Kubota KX016-4
2020
3 hours
Hitch 3 buckets
18.5k

Is that in the ball park ?
 
C

Chase Building

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E19 seemed value to me, but I wouldnt' mind a play on a 219.
E19 definitely looks great value.

Cash purchase price is near as makes no difference same as the kx016 and tb216.
Higher bucket and arm force, higher flow rate on hydraulics.
Dig depth and reach is better than the Kubota but less than the Takeuchi.

Bobcat will win for some on the strength of it being a 1.9t machine and the zero percent finance.
 
GazCro

GazCro

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E19 definitely looks great value.

Cash purchase price is near as makes no difference same as the kx016 and tb216.
Higher bucket and arm force, higher flow rate on hydraulics.
Dig depth and reach is better than the Kubota but less than the Takeuchi.

Bobcat will win for some on the strength of it being a 1.9t machine and the zero percent finance.
E19 must have more reach than a 216?
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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E19 must have more reach than a 216?
Dunno, but if there was a good thing to say about the tb216 it was the reach- when I bought mine it out reached most others in the same weight.
I don’t know if I would say the TB216 was a complete dog, but there are some things about it which are distinctly unfavourable, for me the two things that stand out are it lacks breakout force, and the slew is sloppy and rather erratic- quick though! However actual lift capacity isabout the same as the TB016- I know this for sure as they both struggle in equal measures with the post knocker I have at far reach! However it’s not all bad- it’s a very stable machine with good counterweight, and the blade (as with most Takeuchis) is well built with a lot of travel for levelling yourself on slopes.
I wouldn’t buy one again TBH but then At the time of buying I was equally unimpressed with the Kubota KX018-4 I tried too.
 
GazCro

GazCro

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Dunno, but if there was a good thing to say about the tb216 it was the reach- when I bought mine it out reached most others in the same weight.
I don’t know if I would say the TB216 was a complete dog, but there are some things about it which are distinctly unfavourable, for me the two things that stand out are it lacks breakout force, and the slew is sloppy and rather erratic- quick though! However actual lift capacity isabout the same as the TB016- I know this for sure as they both struggle in equal measures with the post knocker I have at far reach! However it’s not all bad- it’s a very stable machine with good counterweight, and the blade (as with most Takeuchis) is well built with a lot of travel for levelling yourself on slopes.
I wouldn’t buy one again TBH but then At the time of buying I was equally unimpressed with the Kubota KX018-4 I tried too.
I was thinking as the 219 has about 200mm more reach than a 216 if the 216 has more reach than an e19 than putting an e19 against a 219 would be a big difference. Did you try a 219 out of interest?
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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I was thinking as the 219 has about 200mm more reach than a 216 if the 216 has more reach than an e19 than putting an e19 against a 219 would be a big difference. Did you try a 219 out of interest?
No never tried a TB219 in anger, only In dealers yard, I would have bought it instead but as have a 2.8t too I felt it was starting to close the gap a bit and wanted lightness of towing around more then anything. I wonder if Tak have a new model in mind to replace the TB219, it’s getting pretty old now and dare I say it dated- not that that is necessarily a bad thing!
 
GazCro

GazCro

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No never tried a TB219 in anger, only In dealers yard, I would have bought it instead but as have a 2.8t too I felt it was starting to close the gap a bit and wanted lightness of towing around more then anything. I wonder if Tak have a new model in mind to replace the TB219, it’s getting pretty old now and dare I say it dated- not that that is necessarily a bad thing!
I would say i hope they don't, but for the hours mine does I'll easy get another 10 years minimum from it. I think they sell a fair few so dunno if they'd change them yet but who knows. I know what you mean by dated but it's a mini digger, i guess they could bling it up with some AstroTurf 🤣🤣
 
C

Chase Building

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Oh just checked they are bang on the same if the E19 has standard stick, long stick gives it another 20cm or so.
Yeah you're right, I must have written the wrong figures down for 216

From the brochures I've been sent;

Takeuchi Tb216
4090 max reach 2390 max depth
Takeuchi TB219
4280 max reach 2520 max depth

Bobcat E19
Standard
4084 max reach 2385 max depth
Long stick
4297 max reach 2565 max depth
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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I would say i hope they don't, but for the hours mine does I'll easy get another 10 years minimum from it. I think they sell a fair few so dunno if they'd change them yet but who knows. I know what you mean by dated but it's a mini digger, i guess they could bling it up with some AstroTurf 🤣🤣
I agree the more crap they add and electronic fancyness the more to go wrong. I love my TB125 for that reason, an absolute joy to operate, comfy seat etc, but still bog basic and consequently hasnt put a foot out of place in nearly 3000hrs I’ve had it.
I just wish the small Taks would have a decent set of track pedals like nearly every other manufacturer, it would cost penny’s to add but IMO, revolutionises a machine!
 
doobin

doobin

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Apparently the long stick on the e19 is too long. Mine is ordered with standard stick but uk spec tends to be long arm so factory order if you want short arm.
 
C

Chase Building

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Apparently the long stick on the e19 is too long. Mine is ordered with standard stick but uk spec tends to be long arm so factory order if you want short arm.
Yeah it's long arm I've been quoted on mate but looks to be almost identical to the Tb219
@GazCro do you ever find the 219 arm to be limiting?

My dad has a Yanmar micro (in need of a replacement engine), so any limited access jobs I have that to fall back on.
 
GazCro

GazCro

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Yeah it's long arm I've been quoted on mate but looks to be almost identical to the Tb219
@GazCro do you ever find the 219 arm to be limiting?
My dad has a Yanmar micro (in need of a replacement engine),so any limited access jobs I have that to fall back on.
I would say that it's possibly slightly awkward in a real tight corner but before my 219 i had a jcb 8015 and due to poor geometry on the jake the 219 is actually better in a tight spot than the 801. I do have micro as well but tbh only need it for jobs where the 219 genuinely won't fit in. I know the extra reach doesn't sound much but it makes a huge difference if loading dumpers etc as you're not stuck to having to get the dumper in exactly the right spot to hit it. If you can comfortably tow the extra weight its a no brainer imo.
 
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