Gunns Contractors Ltd

[V8Druid]

All the acronyms mean nothing g to me can you tilt and rotate at the same time?
Is it all off of rollers or do you need to use the pedal?
With the grab on can if you setup can tilt and rotate can you do that while operating the grab?
Must have spent not far off what you paid for the machine

I'd say/guess that's a yes all round Brendan .... and no pedal

 

[doobin]

So I paid my labourer £85/ day when he turned up. The Engcon will turn up everyday and should be able to do around 60% of the work the labourer would of done, digging in tight spaces, clearing up etc. Based on that guesstimate It should pay for itself in a year on my normal work. However, a few projects I have in the pipeline would suit the tilty much better than the average work I do. So I'm hoping it'l pay off in 4 months - I just have to drive my own dumper! My new headspace is to price work as per a 3 man job but complete it on my own. The engcon should help me do less shovelling and more with the excavator. If the job takes me a little longer as I wont be as efficient as a 3 man crew then so be it. I've still priced to have 3 people anyway so should actually make more money than I did before even if it runs 30% over on time.
In all honesty, it is surprisingly more affordable than I had thought once I got my head in the right place with how it could help me. The finance they do is 0% over 2 years and not expensive for longer - anyone should be able to make it work on that sort of deal. They wont suit everyone's work - no good for fencing for example.

Sounds good. I'm a big fan of using machines to make labour redundant- as you say, it's so much less hassle. I dont' do as much groundworks as you, and have only a 1.5 tonner so I think most would agree a tiltrotator would be overkill for me. I do have a Powertilt however, and it's going out tomorrow- front garden dig out, working from a pavement so no chance to level up with the blade. No problem.

As regards fencing- with the grab to rip out the old fence and burn it, the knocker to drive the new posts in, the home made stock net unroller bolted to the blade and the arm to pull the stock net clamps tight it's amazing how easy it is to do small jobs and make good money. I've also treated myself to a gas powered staple gun. I bodged a bit of timber to the top of that Muck Truck with a gate pin on it to hole the spinning jenny, then one man went round the whole line with tools in the skip, unrolling the top two lines, stapling them on and stapling the net to the posts after I'd tensioned it. Huge time saver.

 

[TiltyShaun]

Looking forward to seeing how you get on. I am one year down the line and it still makes me smile everyday.

 

[Gunners]

I'd say/guess that's a yes all round Brendan .... and no pedal

My understanding is that I will be able to do everything at once, certainly tilt and rotate. I gain a hydraulic hitch on the bottom of the tilty which will be a nice bonus. Engcon are also looking into working a latching aux so I can run a flail etc on continuous without holding a button. Totally doable but there is a safety concern that you could leave the cab with it still powered.
Cost wise it is a big lump don't get me wrong. A new 8026 is around £24k + vat now and the whole Engcon package is just over half that. But I am getting a top hitch, 4 buckets, the fancy control system, the grab and fitted for that which I thought was pretty reasonable. It was cheaper than the quote I received in 2015. They were also the cheaper than Rototilt by some margin. I didn't look into Steelwrist as their smallest tilty is a bit big for my machine in my opinion.
There is also a forum discount available lads, something I didn't realise until I got a quote.
When I get it fitted and have a play trust me I will let you know what I think. No "the only way is tilty" with me, I've always said it how it is - I run JCB's! I hope for my sake its as good as everyone says.

 

[TiltyShaun]

Does this run off the single service.

 

[V8Druid]

Does this run off the single service.

breaker I'd guess Shaun

 

[V8Druid]

My understanding is that I will be able to do everything at once, certainly tilt and rotate. I gain a hydraulic hitch on the bottom of the tilty which will be a nice bonus. Engcon are also looking into working a latching aux so I can run a flail etc on continuous without holding a button. Totally doable but there is a safety concern that you could leave the cab with it still powered.
Cost wise it is a big lump don't get me wrong. A new 8026 is around £24k + vat now and the whole Engcon package is just over half that. But I am getting a top hitch, 4 buckets, the fancy control system, the grab and fitted for that which I thought was pretty reasonable. It was cheaper than the quote I received in 2015. They were also the cheaper than Rototilt by some margin. I didn't look into Steelwrist as their smallest tilty is a bit big for my machine in my opinion.
There is also a forum discount available lads, something I didn't realise until I got a quote.
When I get it fitted and have a play trust me I will let you know what I think. No "the only way is tilty" with me, I've always said it how it is - I run JCB's! I hope for my sake its as good as everyone says.

that is one hell of a deal - especially with the grab in it ... are they utilising your existing sticks or fitting new tops ? .... the grin factor will be off the scale
IF ... you have to go either / or to have control of the grab - opt for the tilt .... better to be able to rotate and grab simultaneously IMHDO

 

[Liamkav]

It’s great to see things going well for you Ollie and that you made the jump with a tilty, you seemed real keen on one when we meet but it wasn’t the right time I’m guessing, im glad you’ve gone for a full Control system as I think you’d of regretted not getting it, are you having track control ?

 

[Brendan]

My understanding is that I will be able to do everything at once, certainly tilt and rotate. I gain a hydraulic hitch on the bottom of the tilty which will be a nice bonus. Engcon are also looking into working a latching aux so I can run a flail etc on continuous without holding a button. Totally doable but there is a safety concern that you could leave the cab with it still powered.
Cost wise it is a big lump don't get me wrong. A new 8026 is around £24k + vat now and the whole Engcon package is just over half that. But I am getting a top hitch, 4 buckets, the fancy control system, the grab and fitted for that which I thought was pretty reasonable. It was cheaper than the quote I received in 2015. They were also the cheaper than Rototilt by some margin. I didn't look into Steelwrist as their smallest tilty is a bit big for my machine in my opinion.
There is also a forum discount available lads, something I didn't realise until I got a quote.
When I get it fitted and have a play trust me I will let you know what I think. No "the only way is tilty" with me, I've always said it how it is - I run JCB's! I hope for my sake its as good as everyone says.

To be fair that's not as bad as I thought it was going to be, still a big investment.
How much work has to be done to the machine for it to work that way is it all off the breaker line or are they having to plumb in more services?

 

[Monkeybusiness]

That’s a bit of a bargain, good work!

 

[fred]

Ref the grab, to use this I lose tilt , you can choose which you lose when it’s fitted, rotate much more useful to have when using crab as you can crowd as well.

The hydraulic hitch is really nice as well, saves getting out the cab which is a nice timesaver.

 

[Engcon UK]

My understanding is that I will be able to do everything at once, certainly tilt and rotate. I gain a hydraulic hitch on the bottom of the tilty which will be a nice bonus. Engcon are also looking into working a latching aux so I can run a flail etc on continuous without holding a button. Totally doable but there is a safety concern that you could leave the cab with it still powered.

Without hijacking your thread Ollie perhaps you won't mind me adding a little explanation to this. Your setup is, as you said elsewhere, ASAD , or as we call it DC2 which in this case is a single hammer circuit and fully proportional controls running our MIG2 joysticks, a hydraulic bottom hitch and tilt/rotate and extra functions continuously available. The issue of a latching auxiliary to run a flail is that it cannot be done through our controller for the simple reason is that it's dangerous and breaches the machine control protocols. It is possible to put a flail on a latching button in the same way that you can jam a stick between the car seat and the accelerator pedal on a long drive on the motorway. These days we have radar controlled adaptive cruise control for cars but I don't (yet) have an analogous solution for tilties.

Thanks very much for the order BTW Ollie . Did you find out about how the hammer circuit is operated?

 

[Grahams]

I was wondering whether the flail control could be linked to the seatbelt like the green lights so the belt has to be on for the circuit to stay open.
Graham

 

[fred]

wouldnt the flow be cut off when the arm is pulled up so the safetly lockout is activated ?

 

[Brendan]

wouldnt the flow be cut off when the arm is pulled up so the safetly lockout is activated ?

Not sure but think some hammer lines can still be live when the lockout is activated

 

[Furniss]

There is also a forum discount available lads, something I didn't realise until I got a quote.

Aw you see thats just not f"#king fair

 

[Gunners]

It’s great to see things going well for you Ollie and that you made the jump with a tilty, you seemed real keen on one when we meet but it wasn’t the right time I’m guessing, im glad you’ve gone for a full Control system as I think you’d of regretted not getting it, are you having track control ?

I thought long and hard about the control system thing and had the finance not been available, I would of quite happily lived with the compromise, however, once I had decided I wanted a grab as well to make the most of the experience, I really had to go the full hog and gaining a hydraulic bottom hitch is an added bonus that will make life easier day to day. Also, having played on yours and some others, it does put a smile on your face being able to do all the functions at once and is sure to be more productive in the long run. Really its the finance that made it affordable.
I'd be quite happy to talk numbers from Engcon and Rototilt for my setup but don't want to put anyone's nose out of joint with who got what deal etc. Suffice to say I haven't got the Engcon rep job just yet - not even a jacket

Thanks very much for the order BTW Ollie . Did you find out about how the hammer circuit is operated?

Its on my list! As are many things, currently realising Christmas is approaching faster than I'd like and have too much work on and not enough time to do it all. Machine is in bits in the workshop (albeit the roof bit not the floor). I will get back to you on it by the end of the week.

 

[Brendan]

I thought long and hard about the control system thing and had the finance not been available, I would of quite happily lived with the compromise, however, once I had decided I wanted a grab as well to make the most of the experience, I really had to go the full hog and gaining a hydraulic bottom hitch is an added bonus that will make life easier day to day. Also, having played on yours and some others, it does put a smile on your face being able to do all the functions at once and is sure to be more productive in the long run. Really its the finance that made it affordable.
I'd be quite happy to talk numbers from Engcon and Rototilt for my setup but don't want to put anyone's nose out of joint with who got what deal etc. Suffice to say I haven't got the Engcon rep job just yet - not even a jacket


Its on my list! As are many things, currently realising Christmas is approaching faster than I'd like and have too much work on and not enough time to do it all. Machine is in bits in the workshop (albeit the roof bit not the floor). I will get back to you on it by the end of the week.

Problems or upgrades?

 

[Engcon UK]

Suffice to say I haven't got the Engcon rep job just yet - not even a jacket.

Part of the 'fitting' process, Ollie

 

[JD450A]

Part of the 'fitting' process, Ollie

You make sure you get that jacket Ollie.