Government proposal to change trailer licensing regulations.

[Smiffy]

Look at category b +e
At the very least the majority of trailer licenses wouldnt allow it

Driving licence categories

Driving licence categories - entitlements on your licence and what vehicles you can drive - cars, motorcycles, mopeds, medium and large lorries, minibuses and buses.

www.gov.uk

 

[Bri963]

Trailer is 265kg, Kubota gives a weight of 920kg.

 

[doobin]

Getting back on topic. Ignore the crappy title.

What is the point of the DVSA

Association of Approved Driving Instructors run by ADIs for ADIs looking after the interests of driving instructors not afraid to challenge the DVSA - ADIs4ADIs

www.theaadi.co.uk

Can I ignore the crappy prose also?

From that link:
“So we urge the dvsa and transport minister to reconsider their decision and retain the test and a minimum number of hours of training”

Minimum hours of training? Since when has that been a thing? Your vested interests are showing. You want to be able to have a monopoly on charging farm lads who can tow a rig better than you for a series of compulsory and also pointless lessons before a test.

You had some pretty strong opinions against you on the corresponding ArbTalk thread, and this sort of thing is why.

Those that can, do, Those that can’t, teach, and lobby for a monopoly

 

[TiltyShaun]

I must have broken my new brush cutter as I have just read through this thread.
Regarding the trailers, 3500kg is 3500kg. The loading and axle weights are all something different as far as enforcement goes.
If you have more than 3500kg on the trailer you are over weight. If you have less than 3500kg on the trailer but exceed any of the axle limits you are still illegal.
If you have more than 3500kg on the trailer and exceed axle weights you are committing more than one offence.
As for the original pic with the digger on the triaxle trailer, my guess he is over on the trailer but under on the axles. Still a bust on the trailer. The reality is if he is pulled and put on the axle weight pads he probably won’t get a ticket if he is under the GVW

 

[Brendan]

From what I tried to find out online they leave the trailer on to weigh the setup but if you were close and they thought the trailer would be overweight uncoupled I'd imagine they would go for that option as let's face it, if you get pulled they aren't happy unless they find something, no matter how small.

See an alarming amount of overweight trailers on the FB group pages and it's all the same if it's on its gone but some of them lands are north of 1t overweight

 

[V8Druid]

I must have broken my new brush cutter as I have just read through this thread.
Regarding the trailers, 3500kg is 3500kg. The loading and axle weights are all something different as far as enforcement goes.
If you have more than 3500kg on the trailer you are over weight. If you have less than 3500kg on the trailer but exceed any of the axle limits you are still illegal.
If you have more than 3500kg on the trailer and exceed axle weights you are committing more than one offence.
As for the original pic with the digger on the triaxle trailer, my guess he is over on the trailer but under on the axles. Still a bust on the trailer. The reality is if he is pulled and put on the axle weight pads he probably won’t get a ticket if he is under the GVW

also found this yesterday ... very interesting and could put the original pic's drawing vehicle well over ... never seen this before, but has quite a bearing on towing with a truck ... I used to regularly put 3.5t behind my 7.5 but had LGV so not an issue license-wise

" Important Note:
If a Towing coupling with a "D" value of 17kN is fitted to a towing vehicle having a GVW greater than 3500kg, then the permitted trailer weight will decrease accordingly."

couldn't get the calculator to work ... but could just be me


" D values
The "D" value is a rating measured in kN which reflects the dynamic loading limits between a towing vehicle and a trailer. (Wikipedia)

The "D" value of a Towing coupling determines the gross weight combination of the towing vehicle and the trailer that can be used with that particular coupling.

The "D" value is calculated as follows: D = 9.81 × (T × C) ÷ (T + C)
T = Towing Vehicle Weight - GVW
C = Trailer Weight - GVW
9.81 = Gravity

For example, a towing vehicle of 3500kg GVW combined with a trailer of 3500kg GVW would require a towing hitch with a "D" value of:

9.81 × (3.5 × 3.5) ÷ (3.5 + 3.5) = 17.167


Historically, the maximum GVW of an LCV was 3500kg and the maximum GVW for an over-run brake system is 3500kg - hence why a "D" value of 17kN is still common."



this is what the NTTA say about trailer weights

"Trailer Maximum Weights
Type 01: unbraked trailers - max. 750kg gross trailer weight or half the towing vehicle's kerb weight - whichever is less.

Type 02: trailers on overrun brakes - max. 3500kg gross trailer weight "

 

[craig]

also found this yesterday ... very interesting and could put the original pic's drawing vehicle well over ... never seen this before, but has quite a bearing on towing with a truck ... I used to regularly put 3.5t behind my 7.5 but had LGV so not an issue license-wise

" Important Note:
If a Towing coupling with a "D" value of 17kN is fitted to a towing vehicle having a GVW greater than 3500kg, then the permitted trailer weight will decrease accordingly."

View attachment 27813
couldn't get the calculator to work ... but could just be me


" D values
The "D" value is a rating measured in kN which reflects the dynamic loading limits between a towing vehicle and a trailer. (Wikipedia)

The "D" value of a Towing coupling determines the gross weight combination of the towing vehicle and the trailer that can be used with that particular coupling.

The "D" value is calculated as follows: D = 9.81 × (T × C) ÷ (T + C)
T = Towing Vehicle Weight - GVW
C = Trailer Weight - GVW
9.81 = Gravity

For example, a towing vehicle of 3500kg GVW combined with a trailer of 3500kg GVW would require a towing hitch with a "D" value of:

9.81 × (3.5 × 3.5) ÷ (3.5 + 3.5) = 17.167


Historically, the maximum GVW of an LCV was 3500kg and the maximum GVW for an over-run brake system is 3500kg - hence why a "D" value of 17kN is still common."



this is what the NTTA say about trailer weights

"Trailer Maximum Weights
Type 01: unbraked trailers - max. 750kg gross trailer weight or half the towing vehicle's kerb weight - whichever is less.

Type 02: trailers on overrun brakes - max. 3500kg gross trailer weight "

I was going to mention D values the other night, even started a post, but deleted it, you where all having enough fun with S values

 

[craig]

I know I needed a 30.something Kn hitch (4 holding bolts) for my truck (26t)

 

[Bri963]

I was going to mention D values the other night, even started a post, but deleted it, you where all having enough fun with S values

Think you mean BS values.

 

[Brendan]

also found this yesterday ... very interesting and could put the original pic's drawing vehicle well over ... never seen this before, but has quite a bearing on towing with a truck ... I used to regularly put 3.5t behind my 7.5 but had LGV so not an issue license-wise

" Important Note:
If a Towing coupling with a "D" value of 17kN is fitted to a towing vehicle having a GVW greater than 3500kg, then the permitted trailer weight will decrease accordingly."

View attachment 27813
couldn't get the calculator to work ... but could just be me


" D values
The "D" value is a rating measured in kN which reflects the dynamic loading limits between a towing vehicle and a trailer. (Wikipedia)

The "D" value of a Towing coupling determines the gross weight combination of the towing vehicle and the trailer that can be used with that particular coupling.

The "D" value is calculated as follows: D = 9.81 × (T × C) ÷ (T + C)
T = Towing Vehicle Weight - GVW
C = Trailer Weight - GVW
9.81 = Gravity

For example, a towing vehicle of 3500kg GVW combined with a trailer of 3500kg GVW would require a towing hitch with a "D" value of:

9.81 × (3.5 × 3.5) ÷ (3.5 + 3.5) = 17.167


Historically, the maximum GVW of an LCV was 3500kg and the maximum GVW for an over-run brake system is 3500kg - hence why a "D" value of 17kN is still common."



this is what the NTTA say about trailer weights

"Trailer Maximum Weights
Type 01: unbraked trailers - max. 750kg gross trailer weight or half the towing vehicle's kerb weight - whichever is less.

Type 02: trailers on overrun brakes - max. 3500kg gross trailer weight "

17kn is good for 3.5t pulling 3.5t for a 7t gtw.
Near enough all pickups come with a 15 or 16kn rating (can't remember which) which is for a max 6t train weight so a combination of either 3.5 pulling 2.5 or 2.5 pulling 3.5

 

[Justme]

Can I ignore the crappy prose also?

From that link:
“So we urge the dvsa and transport minister to reconsider their decision and retain the test and a minimum number of hours of training”

Minimum hours of training? Since when has that been a thing? Your vested interests are showing. You want to be able to have a monopoly on charging farm lads who can tow a rig better than you for a series of compulsory and also pointless lessons before a test.

You had some pretty strong opinions against you on the corresponding ArbTalk thread, and this sort of thing is why.

Those that can, do, Those that can’t, teach, and lobby for a monopoly

Haha, honestly farm lads tend to be ok at reversing but s**t at hitching and driving. Always in a rush. The lessons were never mandatory. Loads of farm lads would book tests direct but never saw one of them leave the yard. Mostly due to vehicles and trailers that were illegal or did not meet the requirements of the test. I was not looking for a monopoly. Nor looking for minimum hours. The safety stats do not support the removal of training and testing. Remember I didn't write that post. I was linking it to show how in a very short time dvsa has gone from wanting to increase the test as the safety stats says most issues are driver error due to lack of training. To scrapping the complete system. They have not justified that on any level. There only focus is lgv testing. Which oddly they have screwed up too as they have announced changes with no date so people are holding back. Ps there is a knob head on AT that attacks everyone as he hates the system.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Haha, honestly farm lads tend to be ok at reversing but s**t at hitching and driving. Always in a rush. The lessons were never mandatory. Loads of farm lads would book tests direct but never saw one of them leave the yard. Mostly due to vehicles and trailers that were illegal or did not meet the requirements of the test. I was not looking for a monopoly. Nor looking for minimum hours. The safety stats do not support the removal of training and testing. Remember I didn't write that post. I was linking it to show how in a very short time dvsa has gone from wanting to increase the test as the safety stats says most issues are driver error due to lack of training. To scrapping the complete system. They have not justified that on any level. There only focus is lgv testing. Which oddly they have screwed up too as they have announced changes with no date so people are holding back. Ps there is a knob head on AT that attacks everyone as he hates the system.

There’s more than one knobhead on there!

 

[JD450A]

There’s more than one knobhead on there!

Would I be velcomed

R.e farm lads and trailer tests, all the ones I know failed multiple times.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Would I be velcomed

R.e farm lads and trailer tests, all the ones I know failed multiple times.

You’d fit right in!

 

[Lancs Lad]

Would I be velcomed

R.e farm lads and trailer tests, all the ones I know failed multiple times.

I'd not bother...shame as was a good forum but seems to explode inti pathetic slanging matches now. I just follow a few threads.
Preferred the old days of plogs,Newton and bolam et all

 

[Lancs Lad]

Haha, honestly farm lads tend to be ok at reversing but s**t at hitching and driving. Always in a rush. The lessons were never mandatory. Loads of farm lads would book tests direct but never saw one of them leave the yard. Mostly due to vehicles and trailers that were illegal or did not meet the requirements of the test. I was not looking for a monopoly. Nor looking for minimum hours. The safety stats do not support the removal of training and testing. Remember I didn't write that post. I was linking it to show how in a very short time dvsa has gone from wanting to increase the test as the safety stats says most issues are driver error due to lack of training. To scrapping the complete system. They have not justified that on any level. There only focus is lgv testing. Which oddly they have screwed up too as they have announced changes with no date so people are holding back. Ps there is a knob head on AT that attacks everyone as he hates the system.

Get used to it...gov promised removal of red tape etc...this maybe just the start. Quite impressed they had the balls to just crack on and do it...for good or for bad.

 

[Justme]

There’s more than one knobhead on there!

It does seem to have lost its way just lately.

 

[Mogman]

On a tangent (as most threads go) tried to book my lorry in for test last week ( Midd September) for a mot in October can’t get a slot at 3 local places till November as a shortage of testers but there still at the roadside if they MOTed the trucks in the first place they wouldn’t need as many wombles tugging drivers in

 

[CPS]

Yep

On a tangent (as most threads go) tried to book my lorry in for test last week ( Midd September) for a mot in October can’t get a slot at 3 local places till November as a shortage of testers but there still at the roadside if they MOTed the trucks in the first place they wouldn’t need as many wombles tugging drivers in

Yep, can't get my jeep booked in at all ether

 

[Monkeybusiness]

On a tangent (as most threads go) tried to book my lorry in for test last week ( Midd September) for a mot in October can’t get a slot at 3 local places till November as a shortage of testers but there still at the roadside if they MOTed the trucks in the first place they wouldn’t need as many wombles tugging drivers in

Just put one of your other number plates on it!!!