Gearbox work

Routy56

Routy56

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spot on Dave ...... I'll shift as quick as, if not quicker than, anyone not DDC-ing
Yep, as a First class Advanced Police Driver, I still do it in a manual vehicle.
This included my years (2009-2021) of driving 44T grain lorries with 12-16 gears :cool:
Mind you most of the time, was doing 'block changes'. Especially on approach to roundabouts - "slow to go', gear selected and keep on moving 😈
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This one had 16 gears and 460bhp on tap. Great driver involvement :cool:
 
Bri963

Bri963

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ALWAYS makes for a smoother drive and change ....... unless it's an auto :LOL: ..... you can make a crash box drive like a synchro doing it .... never drive a manual of any description any other way
I’ll bite…you can’t make a modern car synchro change smoother by ddc’ing, and you can’t make it change faster, all it does is make harder work of driving. Might have been true when Roadcraft was first chiselled on a stone tablet, but with modern engines and gearboxes with lightweight components and less inertial momentum, waste of effort. As for crash boxes in wagons, real drivers don’t use the clutch apart from starting, stopping and splits….That’s lit the fuse:)
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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I’ll bite…you can’t make a modern car synchro change smoother by ddc’ing, and you can’t make it change faster, all it does is make harder work of driving. Might have been true when Roadcraft was first chiselled on a stone tablet, but with modern engines and gearboxes with lightweight components and less inertial momentum, waste of effort. As for crash boxes in wagons, real drivers don’t use the clutch apart from starting, stopping and splits….That’s lit the fuse:)
What's a manual gearbox then? 😌
 
Bri963

Bri963

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Yep, as a First class Advanced Police Driver, I still do it in a manual vehicle.
This included my years (2009-2021) of driving 44T grain lorries with 12-16 gears :cool:
Mind you most of the time, was doing 'block changes'. Especially on approach to roundabouts - "slow to go', gear selected and keep on moving 😈
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This one had 16 gears and 460bhp on tap. Great driver involvement :cool:
By the way, nice wheels. 4 speed, range change and two speed axles?
 
hiluxman

hiluxman

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I’ll bite…you can’t make a modern car synchro change smoother by ddc’ing, and you can’t make it change faster, all it does is make harder work of driving. Might have been true when Roadcraft was first chiselled on a stone tablet, but with modern engines and gearboxes with lightweight components and less inertial momentum, waste of effort. As for crash boxes in wagons, real drivers don’t use the clutch apart from starting, stopping and splits….That’s lit the fuse:)
I'll double up on the way down when loaded or steep hill with the grab.

I watched a video not so long since about a bloke who was driving an old before tm and he was clutchless gear changes. I've never been in a lorry with someone doing it.
 
Bri963

Bri963

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Clutch less is easier with a constant mesh than with a synchro. You need the revs spot on but when they’re right the gears fall in, whereas with a synchro they always seem to balk a bit. Some truck synchros, like Bedford’s own boxes, changed more easily double clutching, especially when they got a bit worn.
 
Mogman

Mogman

What man as done, man can do, what never has,maybe
My first two lorrys both had Eaton twin spitters, 4 gears on a H pattern with 3 positions on switch on the gear leaver so 12 gears to choose from took a couple of days to master but by fook once you got the hang of it I could go up and down the box faster than any gearbox on the market (I have a ‘auto’ box in my Volvo which is the best ’auto‘ box on the market) but still way slower, than a good man on a twin splitter only used the clutch to pull away👍 Even the fuller 13 speed i had I only used the clutch to start off then my left leg was redundant 😉 but could never change as fast as the twin splitter though, shame you can’t get them in a modern truck as i’d have one no in a heart beat👍👍
 
craig

craig

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My first two lorrys both had Eaton twin spitters, 4 gears on a H pattern with 3 positions on switch on the gear leaver so 12 gears to choose from took a couple of days to master but by fook once you got the hang of it I could go up and down the box faster than any gearbox on the market (I have a ‘auto’ box in my Volvo which is the best ’auto‘ box on the market) but still way slower, than a good man on a twin splitter only used the clutch to pull away👍 Even the fuller 13 speed i had I only used the clutch to start off then my left leg was redundant 😉 but could never change as fast as the twin splitter though, shame you can’t get them in a modern truck as i’d have one no in a heart beat👍👍
When I first went on a twin splitter, the mechanic said how to `stick` it to get quicker changes :)
I also found a little bit of Jake got a quicker clutchless up change on the spicers and fullers:sneaky:
 
Bri963

Bri963

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Never driven an Eaton, but they had a good rep back in the day. One outfit I worked for had a fleet of Reiver six wheelers and a Boxer four wheeler on tippers. One of the Reivers had the AEC box and a two speed axle. Odd thing to drive, with the normal shift being the usual light-a-fag while everything lines up, and lightning shifts on the axle.

they also had a Dodge four legger with a three-way tipper body. If the old boy who drove it forgot what he was doing with the pins, it was sometimes a four-way, and once when he left all the pins out the body ended up sitting diagonally on the chassis.
 
Mogman

Mogman

What man as done, man can do, what never has,maybe
When I first went on a twin splitter, the mechanic said how to `stick` it to get quicker changes :)
I also found a little bit of Jake got a quicker clutchless up change on the spicers and fullers:sneaky:
Yea pull the stick out of cog, flick the splitter and back into cog as fast as you could👍👍 arr the good old days🤫
 
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Smiffy

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mmm, drafty cabs that let in water, poor performance, exhaust fumes in the cab, poor ergonomics causing bad backs, shoulders and knees, sod all seat adjustment, crap lights, no driver comforts, which bit appeals the most?

Most of that hasn't changed atall.
I'm sure the big arctic cabs arnt to bad but all the low cabs are a pretty dismal place to be.
With the engine intruding in you personal space.
I would far rather drive a 7.5t with a flat floor than a p cab scania or Volvo fmx with a massive bulge
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
He’s later must be painting something 😂😂
nope .... no painting ...... been lashing down this afters and ........................

have spent bloody hours today looking for my ****ing passport :mad:🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 ....
wanted to get into the Gov. Gateway this morning and as i've not logged in there in bloody ages they wanted passport details ....
went to where it lives and it ain't ****in' there 😡🤬:cry: ...
have turned my office upside down today ....
virtually emptied the filing cab it lives in and sorted through dozens of hanging file holders ............
and still can't find the bloody thing .......
if it ain't where it lives usually, it's in my pocket or on the desk in use. ...... otherwise it only has one home :rolleyes:

5th Aug was presented at the SAS camp to get in
21st sept. presented as photo ID
22nd Oct. presented as photo ID at local screwfix for on line purchase collection
since then I can't recall needing it and assumed (wrongly it seems) that it was in it's usual home ....
'praps one of the kids's stuck it/posted it somewhere ..... but they'll never remember if they have

75 ****ing quid for a replacement:oops: :rolleyes:🤬 ...... 's gotta be here somewhere
 
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