Electric vehicles

F

fred

Well-known member
and start charging all leccy cars full rate per Kwh for their charging, not the ultra cheapo rate they currently pay .......... thennnnn see how popular/economical they really are(n't) :mad: why should everyone else (non-users) subsidise their charging at 5-ish p/Kwh when we are all paying north of 35p/Kwh 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

time of day tariffs are available to everyone now. You dont need an electric car but a largish battery helps.
 
Grahams

Grahams

Don't complain - suggest what's better
I hope that’s a very very rare occurrence, otherwise I’ve got at least 40 time bombs laying about! 😳
It has to be exceptionally rare if with all the knowledge on here we can only come up with one instance. Unlike some phones or scooters that it is a known risk.
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

Well-known member
It has to be exceptionally rare if with all the knowledge on here we can only come up with one instance. Unlike some phones or scooters that it is a known risk.
Yes hopefully. Issues seem to be with damaged cells and cheapo cells. Danger increases obviously with high capacity cells. The DeWalt 54v stuff for instance comes with a clip to isolate the cells to keep them below the 100whr transport limit but one does wonder what happens in 10-20 years time ...must be a fag to get rid of..🤔
 
Grahams

Grahams

Don't complain - suggest what's better
Yes hopefully. Issues seem to be with damaged cells and cheapo cells. Danger increases obviously with high capacity cells. The DeWalt 54v stuff for instance comes with a clip to isolate the cells to keep them below the 100whr transport limit but one does wonder what happens in 10-20 years time ...must be a fag to get rid of..🤔
You mean you don’t just chuck dud batteries in the bin and let them go to landfill?
 
Bucket on wheels

Bucket on wheels

Well-known member
Got me a Tesla fellas!!!

Got me a Tesla fellas.jpg
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I know last time I went round Goodwood Circuit they had noise detecting to deter loud cars. Only a matter of time on the roads to deter the wrong type of user.
but it's all about the sound track FFS ....... would be bored sh1tless if Le Mans was electric .... stopped going when they stopped the group C,s ....... 7+ ltr V8s on straight pipes, through the stands, has to be heard to be enjoyed :giggle:
 
T

topkit

Well-known member
"but it's all about the sound track FFS ....... would be bored sh1tless if Le Mans was electric .... stopped going when they stopped the group C,s ....... 7+ ltr V8s on straight pipes, through the stands, has to be heard"

You forgot to mention the bloody rotory engine Mazda screaming its way round the circuit like clockwork!

Three of my cars all have sports exhausts on them and they are not coming back off anytime soon!
 
Last edited:
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
"but it's all about the sound track FFS ....... would be bored sh1tless if Le Mans was electric .... stopped going when they stopped the group C,s ....... 7+ ltr V8s on straight pipes, through the stands, has to be heard"

You forgot to mention the blood rotory engine Mazda screaming its way round the circuit like clockwork!

Three of my cars all have sports exhausts on them and they are not coming back off anytimeb soon!
yeh the Mazdas :rolleyes::ROFLMAO: ..... could hear them screaming down the Mulsanne from the pit straight and everywhere else on the track .. as you say "like clockwork" ... they were great years those, for petrol heads .. you ever see the big Astons ... make the hairs on yer neck stand to attention ... and the Kouros Mercs ...... then there were the Jags :giggle::giggle::giggle::cool::love::love:
 
Bob

Bob

Well-known member
Had this email sent and thought some people On here might be interested

Batteries, they do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Had this email sent and thought some people On here might be interested

Batteries, they do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye.
What the author fails to mention is the fact that all of these battery's constituents are in relatively finite supply, when compared to the Oil, coal and gas resources and are likely to be exhausted many decades if not centuries before the fossil fuels are, with their eventual scarcity elevating their costs significantly, as their availability dwindles/reduces :rolleyes:
 
Top