Storrsy
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This is what worries me about all this electric digger nonsense. I'll never have one whilst any diesel variety is still available. But can see customers insisting on it in order to comply with their net zero policies. Then again all well and good on a construction site. Very difficult to comply when your on a rural site in the arse end of nowhere and no means to charge it.
GazCro
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Never say never, quite simply if the point comes where it makes financial sense to have a leccy digger and it fits within how you work you will. Trouble is i can't see that point coming any time soon.
Bob
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Storrsy
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It'll never work for me. Unless they somehow create remote charging when your half an hour tracking from the nearest road. But can see issues when diesel or diesel engined machines become hard to come by.
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Smiffy
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Maybe not for diggers but other kit there is the potential there. On a normal day I reckon a 3t dumper must have less than an hours run time. Wacker plates and trench compactors can have very little use and benefit from weight. Rollers also clock up few hours on most sites. An electric version wouldn't always be the right tool by a long shot. But in some circumstances electric makes sense. Especially as there is no mess refueling and no noise. Tbh I hate the noise of engines running. They do my head in just sitting listening to a boring drone all day.
GazCro
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It may never need to work for you depending on other alternatives like hydrogen. But if leccy has to be the way and diesel becomes far too expensive an option there will have to be a way to make it work. Removable battery packs so you swap between, small piggy back battery to get you out of a bind? All down to ££££ at the end of day one way or another.
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Smiffy
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Electric machines are in there infancy and so is battery tech. It may become far more realistic in years to come.
The biggest problem ATM is everyone rushing into it when the tech and infrastructure isn't there yet.
craig
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This is the big problem, which seems to be getting overlooked.
Manufacturers saying recharge, during dinner/x amount of minutes/while on loading bays etc, but the small print saying of hundreds of KVA needed, the supplies are not there, yet there is still talk about possible black outs this winter.
Bri963
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We aren’t expecting internal combustion engines to be phased out any time soon, but do expect the fuels to change. Batteries will be niche for some applications where they are obviously better suited, but they’ll not become the mainstream power source. No-one in the industry seriously expects that to happen. I think the phrase I heard recently was “the future isn’t electric, it’s eclectic”.
Bucket on wheels
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Nice hybrid doing it's best
pettsy
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Can’t remember if this was posted on here originally!?
Bob
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Electric car owners warned about towing trailers and caravans
Towing caravans and trailers could damage some vehicles, according to motoring experts. (contains affiliate links)
Don't think you will be towing your digger with a leccy truck
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OBL
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Having owned and recently sold an EV I can say the concept works really well for passenger cars but is too flawed to work long term.
Surely the only way this will fly is if the cost of electric is subsidized and battery tech advances substantially to power agriculture and transport.
What family is going to submit to chopping in their 5k diesel for a 50k electric car that’s more expensive to run on our way out of a big recession?
This will become a problem for them?
(Unless they hike the price of petrol/ diesel which will drive the cost of goods up too much)
I’d read a couple of times that car manufacturers have invested too much in new EV manufacturing to turn back now.
Going to be an interesting few years!
I’d imagine with climate change and net zero perhaps pedalo’s powered by bug eating peasants for when the icecaps melt and the WEF take control of the unwashed masses
Surely the only way this will fly is if the cost of electric is subsidized and battery tech advances substantially to power agriculture and transport.
What family is going to submit to chopping in their 5k diesel for a 50k electric car that’s more expensive to run on our way out of a big recession?
This will become a problem for them?
(Unless they hike the price of petrol/ diesel which will drive the cost of goods up too much)
I’d read a couple of times that car manufacturers have invested too much in new EV manufacturing to turn back now.
Going to be an interesting few years!
I’d imagine with climate change and net zero perhaps pedalo’s powered by bug eating peasants for when the icecaps melt and the WEF take control of the unwashed masses
Grahams
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It is like any vehicle, you are only supposed to tow what the vehicle is rated to. If you by a pickup rated to tow 2200kg don’t tow 3500kg. Same rules apply with with an electric vehicle. If you want to tow check before buying.Electric car owners warned about towing trailers and caravans
Towing caravans and trailers could damage some vehicles, according to motoring experts. (contains affiliate links)www.express.co.uk
Don't think you will be towing your digger with a leccy truck
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V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
"Electric Vehicles are being Shipped in Fire Retardant Bags" 
" Orbital space vehicle re-entry grade fireproofing technology is being deployed to prevent Electric Vehicle batteries from creating another Felicity Ace disaster. My question – when are fire blankets going to be provided to EV owners? "
" The cars on the ship burned with such intensity that parts of the hull above the waterline melted. " "According to data provided to Australian fire fighting services, these burning batteries reach temperatures of more than 2700 degrees celsius! " .... "Just looking at a fire that hot can injure your eyes, let alone trying to fight it."steel melts between 1450 and 1530 C
"Now that maritime transport companies have noticed the catastrophic risk of transporting EVs by ship, surely it is only a matter of time until home insurance companies wake up to the catastrophic fire risk of owning an EV."
" This latest fire on the Felicity Ace is the fourth since, in 2019, the Grande America, a roll-on roll-off vessel with more than 2000 new and used vehicles on board, sank in the Bay of Biscay after the cars ignited. The crew of 26 tried to combat the fire but, within hours, the heat was so intense that it weakened the structural integrity of the ship’s bulkheads and hull. There was little that any of the crew members could do but to abandon ship."
Lancs Lad
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Fire Risk assessor said this week that if you've any lithium ion batteries just get fk out of the way and run. Do not attempt to fight the fire."Electric Vehicles are being Shipped in Fire Retardant Bags"
" The cars on the ship burned with such intensity that parts of the hull above the waterline melted. " "According to data provided to Australian fire fighting services, these burning batteries reach temperatures of more than 2700 degrees celsius! " .... "Just looking at a fire that hot can injure your eyes, let alone trying to fight it."
steel melts between 1450 and 1530 C
"Now that maritime transport companies have noticed the catastrophic risk of transporting EVs by ship, surely it is only a matter of time until home insurance companies wake up to the catastrophic fire risk of owning an EV."
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" This latest fire on the Felicity Ace is the fourth since, in 2019, the Grande America, a roll-on roll-off vessel with more than 2000 new and used vehicles on board, sank in the Bay of Biscay after the cars ignited. The crew of 26 tried to combat the fire but, within hours, the heat was so intense that it weakened the structural integrity of the ship’s bulkheads and hull. There was little that any of the crew members could do but to abandon ship."
He reckons there's only one recommended extinguisher lithex or something but it's an absolute fortune . Not great if you've got stocks or cordless tool batteries. Or even forklifts are starting to use them...as for leccy cars no way ever keep one inside.
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Smiffy
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At least with power tool batteries it's cheap enough to store them in ammo tins if your worried and tbf they do make a mess. But not really anything as convenient for laptop mobile phone and everything else with one in it
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