Doesn't help with the towing debate

[Justme]

There is for trailers and cars........



but pickups and I'm sure landrovers are exempt from the heights

Nope not exempt but the height is with a full load.

 

[pettsy]

Type approval?

 

[Lancs Lad]

There is for trailers and cars........



but pickups and I'm sure landrovers are exempt from the heights

And most things....saw a hicap with a monster triaxle a while back...I gave up counting after 8 big round bales...plus he had one in the rear tray......on......the M6 in Cumbria.

 

[Brendan]

Nope not exempt but the height is with a full load.

Doesn't apply to off-road vehicles

 

[Charlie]

There is a road run starting off from my farm at the weekend as the steam rally is cancelled (I'm not going near it) and this turned up today. Hmmmmm

 

[Gunners]

There is a road run starting off from my farm at the weekend as the steam rally is cancelled (I'm not going near it) and this turned up today. Hmmmmm

Room for one more on there at least. Turn them sideways and one in a box on the front links. Nice bunch of tractors though, you'll have to take some pics of them all as they turn up for us

 

[Charlie]

Not going over this year as in isolation because of the wifes MS medication. Her's some from last year though.

 

[Grahams]

Not going over this year as in isolation because of the wifes MS medication. Her's some from last year though.

you certainly get a good turnout. Hopefully back to normal for next year and you can enjoy it again.

 

[Justme]

Doesn't apply to off-road vehicles

Do you have the direct link to that.
As per usual finding official docs is a complete mare.


I am sure that the 4x4 you think is an off road vehicle will be a road vehicle that can go off road.

The off road they mean will be vehicles that only or mostly go off road.

But I want to actually find the regs as this does come up a lot.

 

[GazCro]

Do you have the direct link to that.
As per usual finding official docs is a complete mare.


I am sure that the 4x4 you think is an off road vehicle will be a road vehicle that can go off road.

The off road they mean will be vehicles that only or mostly go off road.

But I want to actually find the regs as this does come up a lot.

There are regs to a point but i think you may also find tow ball height can be set by vehicle manufacturer. Hence for example vans are particularly low to allow for doors opening and a low loading height.

 

[Justme]

Doesn't apply to off-road vehicles

FOUND IT.

Page 39 onward.

We both could be right lol.
Rules for M1 & N1 are slightly different.

BIG list of conditions that must be complied with.
Cat N must be sub 2000kg MAM
Must have a diff lock
Clearance & Ramp / departure values must be in spec
30 degree climb

Cat N1 M1 25 degree climb if over 2000kg MAM
still needs diff lock & Clearance & Ramp / departure values in spec


Very interesting.

Thank you for that it has been on my list of stuff to check for a while.
As usual with the Gov its not clear cut.
How many 4x4 come with diff lock as standard?
Would they meet the angles & clearances from factory?

Council Directive No 92/53/EEC of 18 June 1992 amending Directive 70/156/EEC on the approximation of the laws of the Member States relating to the type-approval of motor vehicles and their trailers - Publications Office of the EU

op.europa.eu

 

[Justme]

There are regs to a point but i think you may also find tow ball height can be set by vehicle manufacturer. Hence for example vans are particularly low to allow for doors opening and a low loading height.

Most vans I have used they have been higher than most cars.

 

[Brendan]

FOUND IT.

Page 39 onward.

We both could be right lol.
Rules for M1 & N1 are slightly different.

BIG list of conditions that must be complied with.
Cat N must be sub 2000kg MAM
Must have a diff lock
Clearance & Ramp / departure values must be in spec
30 degree climb

Cat N1 M1 25 degree climb if over 2000kg MAM
still needs diff lock & Clearance & Ramp / departure values in spec


Very interesting.

Thank you for that it has been on my list of stuff to check for a while.
As usual with the Gov its not clear cut.
How many 4x4 come with diff lock as standard?
Would they meet the angles & clearances from factory?

Council Directive No 92/53/EEC of 18 June 1992 amending Directive 70/156/EEC on the approximation of the laws of the Member States relating to the type-approval of motor vehicles and their trailers - Publications Office of the EU

op.europa.eu

Just the ability to engage all wheels will see a commercial vehicle classified as off road

 

[GazCro]

Most vans I have used they have been higher than most cars.

But still too low for most ifor Williams trailers

 

[tinydigger]

where abouts are you based @charile as went to a show like that last year at marsham in norfolk and loved it was looking forward to going again this year but wont be happening

 

[Charlie]

Codicote in Hertfordshire mate.

My landrover towbar and all trailer hitches are at 750mm as they are a NATO.

 

[V8Druid]

16" to centre of ball is the std build height for over run braked and unbraked trailers ... like yer average ifor ... hence some of the spacers that've been posted here recently .... NATO are a law unto them selves @Charlie on hitch heights

 

[Charlie]

NATO are a law unto them selves @Charlie on hitch heights

Yup, but it has stopped the daily phone calls asking to borrow a trailer. I usually say yes but they need to have a NATO hitch and 24V electrics

 

[V8Druid]

Yup, but it has stopped the daily phone calls asking to borrow a trailer. I usually say yes but they need to have a NATO hitch and 24V electrics

my answer was always a simple .... no .... we make and sell them, not lend them