Decisions Decisions

[Furniss]

Engcon finally got my unit “working properly ”
Not bad really only took 3 yrs! And a lot of extra costs/hassle all down to there own incompetence…

My money will be heading to Steelwrist if i can face a next time….

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After at least three attempts I can't even get a price off engcon for a tilty, even after messaging someone yesterday who was going to call me today

I have same problem getting a price from kinshofer france - asked twice - even spoken and no price yet ? If you see à tilty round here its yellow ... thought they might pull there finger out ffs

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Been looking back at old emails before I bought the 8026, the rototilt is far keener on price although it was quoted as S40 direct mount and ICS?.
Not sure if they do s30 but also found another email saying they could not fit to an 8026 as pedal operated hammer line

They definitely do S30.
Aiden (@CPS) is the man for tech info on this.

 

[wee_gus]

They definitely do S30.
Aiden (@CPS) is the man for tech info on this.

Can definitely be done on the 8026. I did one last year with a rototilt.

 

[wee_gus]

How’s the back up in Scotland at the moment? I’m not fussed about the colour but as we all know, support is everything!

You have hit the nail on the head, it’s about having the right support at the right time.
As one who assists rototilt for their customers in central Scotland, it can often be difficult to tend to everyone’s needs. Sometimes it’s not the guy in the ground but further up the chain

 

[GazCro]

Can definitely be done on the 8026. I did one last year with a rototilt.

Other than playing in a sandpit that must be kin useless

 

[GazCro]

You have hit the nail on the head, it’s about having the right support at the right time.
As one who assists rototilt for their customers in central Scotland, it can often be difficult to tend to everyone’s needs. Sometimes it’s not the guy in the ground but further up the chain

Am i right in thinking this is why rototilt came and went several years ago, the product was good but the manufacturer backup wasn't good enough to help the installers?

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Can definitely be done on the 8026. I did one last year with a rototilt.

Tidy install too!
Would it not make sense to just plumb the hoses straight in on a pinned-on tilty? I know they aren’t a big deal to swap (especially on a little digger) but I find the flat faced couplings can wear and then leak (and sometimes not come apart), even though I undo mine occasionally to fit a flail. If it was pinned on I’d just do away with the quick releases personally.

 

[wee_gus]

Other than playing in a sandpit that must be kin useless

Horses for courses.
If it works it works
can’t not work when there are so many on sub 3t machine out there

 

[wee_gus]

Am i right in thinking this is why rototilt came and went several years ago, the product was good but the manufacturer backup wasn't good enough to help the installers?

I wouldn’t say that, on that instance from what I know it’s the other way around, but then again their is 3 sides to the story. Installers, manufactures and the truth

 

[wee_gus]

Tidy install too!
Would it not make sense to just plumb the hoses straight in on a pinned-on tilty? I know they aren’t a big deal to swap (especially on a little digger) but I find the flat faced couplings can wear and then leak (and sometimes not come apart), even though I undo mine occasionally to fit a flail. If it was pinned on I’d just do away with the quick releases personally.

Having a tidy install is half the battle, I think anyone who installed attachments or any products for machines will agree, if the job looks tidy and professional then 99% of the time the work is usually good also.

as for couplings, the customer requested this, normally on a direct mount I would tie in direct, he wanted the flexibility of running a breaker / post knocker

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Other than playing in a sandpit that must be kin useless

Other than playing in a sandpit that must be kin useless

I know next to bugger all about digging big straight boring holes for drainage/footings/new roads etc so can’t comment on how that machine set up that way would work in a lot of the applications it might be bought for.
However, as a multi-purpose tool-carrying easily-towable powerhouse it would definitely transform how whoever commissioned it works. That there is a mega piece of kit that will run rings around another non-tilty equipped equivalent on anything other than hole-making.

 

[CPS]

Been looking back at old emails before I bought the 8026, the rototilt is far keener on price although it was quoted as S40 direct mount and ICS?.
Not sure if they do s30 but also found another email saying they could not fit to an 8026 as pedal operated hammer line

Yes definitely do S30. Some people would have quoted S40 as standard......... but S30 is what I would go for on a 8026.
One reason S40 may have been quoted is that you can't have a gripper on S30, so S40 was a future prove as such.
Some Basic spec 8026s had a linkage operated hammer petal which means you can't fit a feeder valve (easily) to run the proportional system. I always recommended that the question was asked at the time of order and double checked..... wouldn't be the first time someone turned up to fit one and couldn't

 

[GazCro]

I know next to bugger all about digging big straight boring holes for drainage/footings/new roads etc so can’t comment on how that machine set up that way would work in a lot of the applications it might be bought for.
However, as a multi-purpose tool-carrying easily-towable powerhouse it would definitely transform how whoever commissioned it works. That there is a mega piece of kit that will run rings around another non-tilty equipped equivalent on anything other than hole-making.

The way I'm looking at that is that on a sub 3 ton machine to get gripper you need to go s40. By the time you account for the weight of the bigger tilty, gripper, bucket and the build height it's taking a hell of a lot of the machines capability away before there's anything in the bucket. And no longer towable.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

The way I'm looking at that is that on a sub 3 ton machine to get gripper you need to go s40. By the time you account for the weight of the bigger tilty, gripper, bucket and the build height it's taking a hell of a lot of the machines capability away before there's anything in the bucket. And no longer towable.

Gotcha - it would definitely be pushing it’s luck legally!…

 

[Furniss]

Nothing worse than too much weight on the end - even my tilt bucket at 301kg makes the 8t kubota painful in comparison to using it with à nice light grading bucket.

 

[fred]

The way I'm looking at that is that on a sub 3 ton machine to get gripper you need to go s40. By the time you account for the weight of the bigger tilty, gripper, bucket and the build height it's taking a hell of a lot of the machines capability away before there's anything in the bucket. And no longer towable.

dont forgot on the s40 you can get an integrated gripper you can use with the bucket off.

 

[Grahams]

dont forgot on the s40 you can get an integrated gripper you can use with the bucket off.

My understanding is the gripper slots on to the rototilt so if you don't need it for some time you can remove it to save weight. I was too tight to pay the extra for the gripper when I got mine, but was told I could upgrade at any time for another couple of thousand. Personally if I needed to do a lot of grab work I'd buy a dedicated grab. It is certainly handy to have, but I didn't consider the weight penalty and the cost worth it on a small machine.

 

[doobin]

Nothing worse than too much weight on the end - even my tilt bucket at 301kg makes the 8t kubota painful in comparison to using it with à nice light grading bucket.

Definitely. Everyone likes to be billy big bollocks and say 'my mini is awesome, it handles 2.7t buckets no sweat'. Reality is it's often quicker to have a lighter bucket on and be more precise.

I run buckets from the next weight class down on my machines when they have the Powertilt on.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Definitely. Everyone likes to be billy big bollocks and say 'my mini is awesome, it handles 2.7t buckets no sweat'. Reality is it's often quicker to have a lighter bucket on and be more precise.

I run buckets from the next weight class down on my machines when they have the Powertilt on.

My mini is awesome - it handles 6 tonner buckets no sweat…

 

[fred]

Definitely. Everyone likes to be billy big bollocks and say 'my mini is awesome, it handles 2.7t buckets no sweat'. Reality is it's often quicker to have a lighter bucket on and be more precise.

I run buckets from the next weight class down on my machines when they have the Powertilt on.

on my engcon you couldn't take it off and it was amazingly useful. Definitely wouldn't have a tilty without one.