V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
trouble is we've bred an 'entitled' generation who expect it all for nothing / no effort
trouble is we've bred an 'entitled' generation who expect it all for nothing / no effort
Plus on the flip side, a girl on site had best part of 50k in tuition fees and was the lowest paid person on site and a fair bit under the labourer wage, sure in a few years she should be able to progress up the ladder at her work or changing companies but still won't potentially earn as much as a proper tradeI believe the schools have to take a bit of the blame. Any pupils with a smidge of intellect they force the to university and teach them that trades and blue collar work is for low intellect and misfits (no offense Rory) but in actual fact people with a bit of a brain can make a good living and good life in the skilled work market. And allot of the brain washed forced to further education to better themselves can end up with a harder hill to climb to get the same level of living.
ThisBigger issue is a pointless apprenticeship system that really is hit and miss and pays worse than dropping out.
£4hr starting rate...... "But your learning" yeah nah piss off.
CITB have alot to answer for.
To be fair if people haven't got the foresight to see or understand, that within another two or three years they will potentially earn double or more for the rest of their lives than their mates who worked in a shopThis
When I was training to be an electrician there were nippers taken on for the apprentice year at rubbish wages, then, the following year when their wages had to go up to minimum wage they were got rid of.
Regardless of how old you are to be fully qualified electrician you have to do a apprenticeship so must do a year at £4 a hour or whatever it is.
Who wants to crawl around in loft insulation for s**t money when you can go to a super market keep clean and probably earn twice as much.
But most apprentices live at home, don't have a car to insure or legally able to go to bars to spend their money.Yes they might be on better money in the end, when they go self employed, and build up a company from nothing. Where I live that would take longer than 2-3 years. I don't think you should penalize the person doing the extra training, home work and stress with super s**t (less than minimum) wages.
Where I live a properly employed not agency hire and fire spark is on £120 a day. That would take at least 5-6 years to get to from what I have seen.
an' he only went in for a sweet and sour chicken and egg fried riceMy lad is 16, did 5 hours washing up in a Chinkie and got paid £4 an hour plus as much seaweed as he could eat. When he turned up they pointed to the sink and left him to it, didn’t even talk to him. He isn’t going back.
I was 20 when I started my engineering apprenticeship, and all but one of the 14 who started were over 18.I'd not say the apprentice wage is similar to minimum wage myself. Especially as most apprentices are 17/18 before they start
20 quid cash in his claw. Probably not the worst deal in the world. If he could up the snacks to a bit of a free meal at end of shift then I think its a good deal for an unskilled kid.My lad is 16, did 5 hours washing up in a Chinkie and got paid £4 an hour plus as much seaweed as he could eat. When he turned up they pointed to the sink and left him to it, didn’t even talk to him. He isn’t going back.
Trouble for me with our industry and apprenticeships is always the fact that our industry training and competency standards are that low that it's just not correct or sensible to compare the pay offs to say a mechanical engineering apprenticeship or even a sparkys apprenticeship.
There are two issues with this....
1) If your job at the end of a apprenticeship can be done by Darrell who has been put on a weeks course by Lazy Bastards Plus then is your qualification actually worth a toss?
2) If Darrell is on site earning £12 hr driving a forklift that your more than capable of piloting and your earning £4 and a thruppenny bit a hour are you honesty going to stay doing a shite apprenticeship for another 1-2 years?
Polands the answer ...... but wait.... too late they arent alowed in no moreMy lad is 16, did 5 hours washing up in a Chinkie and got paid £4 an hour plus as much seaweed as he could eat. When he turned up they pointed to the sink and left him to it, didn’t even talk to him. He isn’t going back.
Better than smoking spliffs in the park (although I know what I'd of preferred at 14 or 15). 20 quid for a nights work I honestly don't think is terrible for a kid. Obviously it's no career like you sayThere is no career progression in a Chinese takeaway unless you have slitty eyes, and no chance of pride in a job well done either. Couldn’t you find your lad some trade work to have a crack at?