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Jimoz
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Can't help but respect nature there's nothing stronger
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
was gales alright ....... as said, wildest i've known it here in 11 years ... ok we catch it here, but hell's teeth, you had a job to stand up in it ..... amazed there's not more damage TBH ...... got a couple of loose slates that Reo keeps saying he'll sort, if i put him up in the basket ... God knows how they're still there .... could really do with seeing him again soon, if only to get them sorted, before they take off
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
new 'toy' arrived this morning 
..... bought off a lad locally on FB about 5 weeks ago ..... got a machine shop on his dad's farm and having a juggle of spare/redundant kit, making room for some new CNC machining centres arriving next week.
His dad has Parkinsons so he is also shielding/being extremely careful about contact and where he goes.
Told me this morning that he'd always wanted to call in my old workshop, for a nosey/shufty, but never got there, so we spent a bit of time talking kit and its merits .... have an open invitation to his place as and when it's possible -- only 10 miles away -- never knew he was there looking forward to that
anyway .... this was too good not to be had .....
have had loads of these over the years .... but never seen one with a #2MT quill... only ever with a 14mm chuck on a Jacob's taper -- 2MT'll handle a 7/8" / 22mm drill
he apologised for it not being immaculate, but'd given it a bit of a clean
was a bit of a lump for two of us to get out of his Hilux so ran the 'Drema up and slipped it into a box .... he liked the Harrison, we sat it in front of, for now.
gave a it a bit of a 'clean off' earlier and picked the head back up
has cleaned up pretty well for a quick brush off/wipe over..... rare to get a s/hand drill with zero marks in the table .... very happy with this.
he ran it on a VFD as it's 3ph ..... am considering doing the same - - sadly he'd taken it off before he advertised it and stuck it on summat else ... would be handy for slowing it down a bit ....
perfectly acceptable speed range, but'd be handy to be able to run it slower for countersinking or broaching, so'll need to go shopping for a VFD unit later now I have the motor plate for reference ... have been looking since buying it, but not committed yet
surprised how low a wattage is on there -- (did rotate that, but has reverted to side on for some reason??) so isn't going to need a huge unit, plus I can always run it off the genny when it's wound up too.
seem to recall @Rob65 knows a bit about VFDs .... am I right Rob?
have looked at these as options ... this as a dedicated unit for the drill only, fitted to it
this as stand alone unit with a suitable plug to run either the drill or the Ajax mill
and have also been considering one of these to perhaps run the Harrison for the odd quicky/light requirement -- it is 7.5Kw /10hp on full draw
anything heavy / longer duration work I'd run the genny ... would probably be a lot cheaper and less stress on the VFD
question is would option three be the better long term option for every requirement-- got a 3ph saw bench, the band saw, belt grinder and a couple of other 3ph bits, all under 10hp /7.5Kw .... set it up with output sockets for trailing lead connections, wall mounted and properly 'plumbed in'
one major concern I have with these things is ... none of 'em seem to have any cable grips, other than their connection screws
anyone have any experience / knowledge they'd like to share please
..... bought off a lad locally on FB about 5 weeks ago ..... got a machine shop on his dad's farm and having a juggle of spare/redundant kit, making room for some new CNC machining centres arriving next week.His dad has Parkinsons so he is also shielding/being extremely careful about contact and where he goes.
Told me this morning that he'd always wanted to call in my old workshop, for a nosey/shufty, but never got there
, so we spent a bit of time talking kit and its merits .... have an open invitation to his place as and when it's possible -- only 10 miles away -- never knew he was there looking forward to that anyway .... this was too good not to be had .....
have had loads of these over the years .... but never seen one with a #2MT quill
... only ever with a 14mm chuck on a Jacob's taper -- 2MT'll handle a 7/8" / 22mm drill he apologised for it not being immaculate, but'd given it a bit of a clean
was a bit of a lump for two of us to get out of his Hilux so ran the 'Drema up and slipped it into a box .... he liked the Harrison, we sat it in front of, for now.
gave a it a bit of a 'clean off' earlier and picked the head back up
has cleaned up pretty well for a quick brush off/wipe over
..... rare to get a s/hand drill with zero marks in the table .... very happy with this.he ran it on a VFD as it's 3ph ..... am considering doing the same -
- sadly he'd taken it off before he advertised it and stuck it on summat else ... would be handy for slowing it down a bit ....perfectly acceptable speed range, but'd be handy to be able to run it slower for countersinking or broaching, so'll need to go shopping for a VFD unit later now I have the motor plate for reference
... have been looking since buying it, but not committed yetsurprised how low a wattage is on there -- (did rotate that, but has reverted to side on for some reason??) so isn't going to need a huge unit, plus I can always run it off the genny when it's wound up too.
seem to recall @Rob65 knows a bit about VFDs .... am I right Rob?
have looked at these as options ... this as a dedicated unit for the drill only, fitted to it
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this as stand alone unit with a suitable plug to run either the drill or the Ajax mill
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and have also been considering one of these to perhaps run the Harrison for the odd quicky/light requirement -- it is 7.5Kw /10hp on full draw
anything heavy / longer duration work I'd run the genny ... would probably be a lot cheaper and less stress on the VFD
question is would option three be the better long term option for every requirement
-- got a 3ph saw bench, the band saw, belt grinder and a couple of other 3ph bits, all under 10hp /7.5Kw .... set it up with output sockets for trailing lead connections, wall mounted and properly 'plumbed in'one major concern I have with these things is ... none of 'em seem to have any cable grips, other than their connection screws
anyone have any experience / knowledge they'd like to share please
Vinpetrol
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Hi Buddy
That looks like a nice bit of kit . When would it of been built ? I love all the old British steel workshop machines . They seem to be built to last forever . Only thing is I wouldn’t have a clue what to do with them . I was pulling a boat out of a garage with the duck a wee while back (long story) and came across this . It was a clearance so it was being sold my old business partner used to work as a fab guy so I called him and he wanted it . Done the deal for a few hundred quid . The shame of it was he paid the guy then I had to drag it out . I had straps around it but couldn’t see it from the digger . I was relying on the old partner to keep me right as I pulled it out but he didn’t and it toppled over
not too much damage done though thankfully
That looks like a nice bit of kit . When would it of been built ? I love all the old British steel workshop machines . They seem to be built to last forever . Only thing is I wouldn’t have a clue what to do with them . I was pulling a boat out of a garage with the duck a wee while back (long story) and came across this . It was a clearance so it was being sold my old business partner used to work as a fab guy so I called him and he wanted it . Done the deal for a few hundred quid . The shame of it was he paid the guy then I had to drag it out . I had straps around it but couldn’t see it from the digger . I was relying on the old partner to keep me right as I pulled it out but he didn’t and it toppled over
not too much damage done though thankfully
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
the drill'd be mid to late 70s Vin .... will outlast me for sureHi Buddy
That looks like a nice bit of kit . When would it of been built ? I love all the old British steel workshop machines . They seem to be built to last forever . Only thing is I wouldn’t have a clue what to do with them . I was pulling a boat out of a garage with the duck a wee while back (long story) and came across this . It was a clearance so it was being sold my old business partner used to work as a fab guy so I called him and he wanted it . Done the deal for a few hundred quid . The shame of it was he paid the guy then I had to drag it out . I had straps around it but couldn’t see it from the digger . I was relying on the old partner to keep me right as I pulled it out but he didn’t and it toppled over
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properly made piece of kit ..... and as said, never seen one before with a morse taper spindle - real findlove the Renault 25 brochure on the floor in front of the lathe ... one Renault i've never owned ... fancied one but never got to own one. .... nicest lil' Renault i ever had was a 17 Gordini ... was one quick little car
absolutely flew - 1565 EFi motor - stopped as well as it went with vented discs all roundpretty dated now, eh
that round head Student'll outlast your mate too fella .... solid ol' tool them .. have spent a few hours on a few of them ... were a school workshop favourite
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Monkeybusiness
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I doubt it would be possible to draw a ‘more 80’s’ forward-thinking car!!!the drill'd be mid to late 70s Vin .... will outlast me for sure
love the Renault 25 brochure on the floor in front of the lathe ... one Renault i've never owned ... fancied one but never got to own one. .... nicest lil' Renault i ever had was a 17 Gordini ... was one quick little car
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pretty dated now, eh
that round head Student'll outlast your mate too fella .... solid ol' tool them .. have spent a few hours on a few of them ... were a school workshop favourite
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
the budget model was the Renault 15 - same body but budget trim/mechanicals ... the Gordinis were pretty rare .... never saw another then or since
got replaced by the Fuego
that Gordini had some of the comfiest car seats I've ever sat in ....... Renault prided themselves in their in car ergonomics ...... managed to find a pair for a mini traveller i had with a 1289 cooper lump in it
... recall that was fun
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Monkeybusiness
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Every Renault I’ve ever been in has been incredibly comfortable, they have definitely got that sorted!
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
yes -- superb seating in them ..... the old 16s were like armchairs and the 20s and 30s ........ and most of their engines were similarly sorted (aside from the pigs guts in the 14s - Ovlov JV - piece of crap) .... the V6 in the 30TS/TX was sooooome motor
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Rob65
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Yes, the old Druid memory is still working. I have 3 VFD’s of various sizes.
I also have a very similar drill press to that one. Mine has a two speed gear change on it as well as the step pulleys.
It’s late at night (well it is for me anyway) and my head has not been working well at the best of times today so I’ll keep it brief but feel free to shout up with more questions and I’ll happily help more tomorrow.
The first thing is that these cheep inverters give out 220v 3ph not 415v.
I can’t remember which way round it is but to adjust the voltage the motor is run on the windings in the motor need to be connected in either in a star configuration or delta configuration.
This means that you need to make the decision whether they are to be run off your generator at high voltage or inverter at low voltage and stick to that. Otherwise you would need to be constantly rewiring your motor for high or low voltage operation.
Given the low current required by the drill. I would be tempted to for low voltage and run it off 220v from an inverter. This will give you the possibility to run it backwards should you use LH drills for getting Brocken bolts out.
Yes your observation regarding the lack of cable clamps is correct. I have never seen one with anything other than simple connector blocks.
I’ll have a look at the units you have posted links to in the morning and let you have my thoughts then.
I’m going to go to bed now and go to
sleep because I’m not all excited by having got a new toy today, It’s not fair.......
I also have a very similar drill press to that one. Mine has a two speed gear change on it as well as the step pulleys.
It’s late at night (well it is for me anyway) and my head has not been working well at the best of times today so I’ll keep it brief but feel free to shout up with more questions and I’ll happily help more tomorrow.
The first thing is that these cheep inverters give out 220v 3ph not 415v.
I can’t remember which way round it is but to adjust the voltage the motor is run on the windings in the motor need to be connected in either in a star configuration or delta configuration.
This means that you need to make the decision whether they are to be run off your generator at high voltage or inverter at low voltage and stick to that. Otherwise you would need to be constantly rewiring your motor for high or low voltage operation.
Given the low current required by the drill. I would be tempted to for low voltage and run it off 220v from an inverter. This will give you the possibility to run it backwards should you use LH drills for getting Brocken bolts out.
Yes your observation regarding the lack of cable clamps is correct. I have never seen one with anything other than simple connector blocks.
I’ll have a look at the units you have posted links to in the morning and let you have my thoughts then.
I’m going to go to bed now and go to
sleep because I’m not all excited by having got a new toy today, It’s not fair.......
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
thanks Rob ..... that's made one decision easy anyway .... dedicated drill driveYes, the old Druid memory is still working. I have 3 VFD’s of various sizes.
I also have a very similar drill press to that one. Mine has a two speed gear change on it as well as the step pulleys.
It’s late at night (well it is for me anyway) and my head has not been working well at the best of times today so I’ll keep it brief but feel free to shout up with more questions and I’ll happily help more tomorrow.
The first thing is that these cheep inverters give out 220v 3ph not 415v.
I can’t remember which way round it is but to adjust the voltage the motor is run on the windings in the motor need to be connected in either in a star configuration or delta configuration.
This means that you need to make the decision whether they are to be run off your generator at high voltage or inverter at low voltage and stick to that. Otherwise you would need to be constantly rewiring your motor for high or low voltage operation.
Given the low current required by the drill. I would be tempted to for low voltage and run it off 220v from an inverter. This will give you the possibility to run it backwards should you use LH drills for getting Brocken bolts out.
Yes your observation regarding the lack of cable clamps is correct. I have never seen one with anything other than simple connector blocks.
I’ll have a look at the units you have posted links to in the morning and let you have my thoughts then.
I’m going to go to bed now and go to
sleep because I’m not all excited by having got a new toy today, It’s not fair.......
TiltyShaun
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Just a random silly suggestion......have you enquired as to how much a 3 phase connection would cost?
Quattromike
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I did this when I moved to my current Abode, there was 3ph a couple miles along the road. The guy who was looking at it from SSE said “For a start it requires 12 spans of poles to be replaced at a cost of approximately £95k after that you need a transformer will I go on?” I politely said no
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Jimoz
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Sorry for the random comment but watched the Gran Torino with clint Eastwood last night. Decent film and the car looked wicked. I just can't see today's cars looking good in 40 years like the olduns do now.
Quattromike
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A lot of the modern stuff won’t last 10years never mind 40
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
's why I bought a genny .....
3 x 11kv lines cross my drive and have a new tranny on a new pole sat in my ground .. supplying us and two other properties below us ..... sadly all circa 250-350 + yds from where I want it to be
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(new pole and tranny in June '16)
(no .. me neither) new 3ph tranny required and a new trench including digging up/across my tarmac-ed driveway, plus a separate meter to me shed (when it ever gets done) ....... the off the cuff estimate once was £25-30k --- with me doing all the donkey ..... I can burn a hell of a lot of cherry in me £2k genny, before I ever break even on that one ... and no standing charges .... genny has just recently tripped 200hrs
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
great film and absolutely true
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
and that is even truer than the last comment ..... the bodies may last but the guts and electronics'll write 'em off long before ... could be a lucrative game returning them to old skool techA lot of the modern stuff won’t last 10years never mind 40
CPS
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The old man upgraded the 3 phase tranformer about a year ago, 20k plus I think... got this guy in to bore from the field right into the corner of the main workshop... he said no way was he digging up the concrete yard.'s why I bought a genny .....
3 x 11kv lines cross my drive and have a new tranny on a new pole sat in my ground .. supplying us and two other properties below us ..... sadly all circa 250-350 + yds from where I want it to be
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new 3ph tranny required and a new trench including digging up/across my tarmac-ed driveway, plus a separate meter to me shed (when it ever gets done) ....... the off the cuff estimate once was £25-30k --- with me doing all the donkey ..... I can burn a hell of a lot of cherry in me £2k genny, before I ever break even on that one ... and no standing charges .... genny has just recently tripped 200hrs
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