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[hiluxman]

I did a lot of tramping on my 3cx.. most days I’d be on the road 3hrs a day at least, I’ve seen some absolute idiotic moves over the years! Had motorbikes under front bucket (how they weren’t mince I don’t know!) wagons overtaking me only to pull back in halfway along side me, over taking around roundabouts and then pulling across infront to get where they wanted to, cyclists holding onto back bucket for a sneaky pull.. probably should of had a dashcam

I had an impatient lorry driver remove all his back lights on my front bucket. Was itching to get round me then took it right a the wrong place then a car comes in the opposite direction so he cuts in way too soon. I couldn't go anywhere there was a bus stop full of people to my left at that exact moment.

Some of the dedicated cyclists are hard to get round with the speed they do now.

 

[Danny]

When im out in the wheel digger or rubber duck, i drive with all the led lights on as well. If it's first thing the lights are high up so its hardly blinding but the amount of mongs i seem to come across is unreal

 

[bobthebuilder]

I saw that elsewhere - horrible for all involved. Seems a very harsh sentence for essentially having no flashing beacon though. I’m not sure if that would have made much difference to the outcome.

Friend of mines dad ,copper on the scene ,estimated speed of bike 100 mph ,also the deceased took a phone call on helmet speaker / phone 2seconds before impact

 

[bobthebuilder]

aside from the beacon issue, he was probably crawling along, there are several turns onto the A40 (a DC) from side roads in that area with virtually zero slip ons, just a junction - I know it well -
the fact that the traccy /trailer combo should not have been on the road / was unfit to be there, is an almost certain contributory factor to the sentence's severity.
Plus, as Rory says the additional circumstances.
let's be fair, it is high time that ag. vehicles were subject to far harsher scrutiny, regular inspection and requirements to comply with a level of safety that all other motorised road users have to adhere to
and then start on the bloody cyclists, who for the most part are bloody clueless

It's rear lights were working ,no flashing amber.bike going too quick ,tractor towards the top of the leys hill ,it wasn't dark ,Mr Baker has been hard done by

 

[V8Druid]

A tractor and trailer is hardly discreet beacon or no beacon. I know there are some motorbikists on here so id better tread carefully but lately have witnessed some absolute dickhead maneuvers by bikers and as such will often read a a story like this with more than a touch of vacillation.

totally agree -- some of the 'born agains' are accidents on their way to the scene .... many seem to have been lobotomised

 

[V8Druid]

I’m still blown away by how nice it was in Belgium and how well cyclists and motorists got on. I also saw police giving some cyclists absolute s**t for bad riding .. which was healthy to see
We have a lot to learn from some of our European brethren .

same in France when I used to ride over there ... most starrt their motoring careers on two wheels and have a much greater respect and awareness of two wheels .. will even pull over/get out of your way/give you space to make progress ... brilliant place to ride - Germany/Austria/Switzerland the same - the italians are just bloody nuts ... the Hungarians were just nasty

 

[V8Druid]

I did a lot of tramping on my 3cx.. most days I’d be on the road 3hrs a day at least, I’ve seen some absolute idiotic moves over the years! Had motorbikes under front bucket (how they weren’t mince I don’t know!) wagons overtaking me only to pull back in halfway along side me, over taking around roundabouts and then pulling across infront to get where they wanted to, cyclists holding onto back bucket for a sneaky pull.. probably should of had a dashcam

had the same on the Rapier self propelled crane once, going up 'the rock' - 4 miles of 1:12 ... slacked the winch off a few inches to allow the hook block to swing/bounce about - bet he needed fresh Lycra after that

 

[V8Druid]

Friend of mines dad ,copper on the scene ,estimated speed of bike 100 mph ,also the deceased took a phone call on helmet speaker / phone 2seconds before impact

says it all really ... can well believe the speed ... as for having his phone connected to helmet - bad enough in a car, but you need absolutely ZERO distractions on 2 wheels - idiot - and HTF do you miss a trailer full of bales in front of you

It's rear lights were working ,no flashing amber.bike going too quick ,tractor towards the top of the leys hill ,it wasn't dark ,Mr Baker has been hard done by

sadly though Bob, if Mr baker's trailer had been 'legal' in all other respects, he might not be 'inside'

 

[Furniss]

everyone is so impatient ffs, driving lorry and people just has to be past, no matter where, i know following lorry is not the nicest but overtaking through the villages
off to see a job on road bike few nights ago and someone was overtaking a moped round a blind corner and left me with a arse clenchingly small gap to get through ...wtf,
vive the tracks

 

[V8Druid]

everyone is so impatient ffs, driving lorry and people just has to be past, no matter where, i know following lorry is not the nicest but overtaking through the villages
off to see a job on road bike few nights ago and someone was overtaking a moped round a blind corner and left me with a arse clenchingly small gap to get through ...wtf,
vive the tracks

been there - got a few tee shirts .. off to Brstol one evening on the Kawi .. regular fast run - met one overtaking on a blind bend, guy being overtaken had the good sense to take to the scenery and i went through the middle ... took the overtaker's N/S mirror with me handle bar tip ...needed a sit down for ten and a couple of fags to recover, 'fore carrying on
had it not been so traumatic, I should have pursued the pr*ck and had his other mirror off

 

[craig]

same in France when I used to ride over there ... most starrt their motoring careers on two wheels and have a much greater respect and awareness of two wheels .. will even pull over/get out of your way/give you space to make progress ... brilliant place to ride - Germany/Austria/Switzerland the same - the italians are just bloody nuts ... the Hungarians were just nasty

I`ve often thought a CBT should be part of the car test (if they haven't already), gives every road user an insight. Either way, they may love it and pursue 2 wheels, or frighten they enough they look out for 2 wheels.

 

[Smiffy]

I`ve often thought a CBT should be part of the car test (if they haven't already), gives every road user an insight. Either way, they may love it and pursue 2 wheels, or frighten they enough they look out for 2 wheels.

I don't think that will work, otherwise all the push bike riders with car licences wouldn't put themselves in harms way. Likewise just about everyone with a car license will have ridden a bike and yet most car drivers drive like idiots around bikes.
It is at the point where we simply have to many people on a very little rock, and we just don't get on, regardless of the amount of training.

 

[Lancs Lad]

I don't think that will work, otherwise all the push bike riders with car licences wouldn't put themselves in harms way. Likewise just about everyone with a car license will have ridden a bike and yet most car drivers drive like idiots around bikes.
It is at the point where we simply have to many people on a very little rock, and we just don't get on, regardless of the amount of training.

It's ok we've had another 700 Uber drivers arrive yesterday....standby for some more displays of brilliant driving. Secondhand car dealers must be rubbing their hands with glee these days.

 

[Jimoz]

It's ok we've had another 700 Uber drivers arrive yesterday....standby for some more displays of brilliant driving. Secondhand car dealers must be rubbing their hands with glee these days.

Why are Europe and UK so against self driving. We are so anti innovation here. Them new cybercabs musk is doing look wicked. 40-60% of the cost of an uber so half price. These idiots on boats are all bottom of the barrel humans did u see that guy abandon a kid to jump in the boat yesterday

 

[Grahams]

Why are Europe and UK so against self driving. We are so anti innovation here. Them new cybercabs musk is doing look wicked. 40-60% of the cost of an uber so half price. These idiots on boats are all bottom of the barrel humans did u see that guy abandon a kid to jump in the boat yesterday

For some reason a lot of people seem to think you can only let a self driving car on the road if it is infallible. Surely if it is safer than a human driver that is good enough. Given the standards of driving I'm seeing that is not that high a bar. I'm sure there are a lot of people about who don't have a UK licence. It is quite common to see people on the motorway near me doing 30 to 40 mph and obviously scared of the amount and speed of the rest of the traffic.
Also I have had two old people run in to my pickup recently, both of whom should have given up their licence some time ago given the damage all round their cars. The first one just drove off, but was caught on CCTV and the second we were in a queue just couldn't care less. I hope by the time I get doddery I can be chauffeured around by my car and keep my independence.

 

[Furniss]

For some reason a lot of people seem to think you can only let a self driving car on the road if it is infallible. Surely if it is safer than a human driver that is good enough. Given the standards of driving I'm seeing that is not that high a bar. I'm sure there are a lot of people about who don't have a UK licence. It is quite common to see people on the motorway near me doing 30 to 40 mph and obviously scared of the amount and speed of the rest of the traffic.
Also I have had two old people run in to my pickup recently, both of whom should have given up their licence some time ago given the damage all round their cars. The first one just drove off, but was caught on CCTV and the second we were in a queue just couldn't care less. I hope by the time I get doddery I can be chauffeured around by my car and keep my independence.

trolley problem

 

[Grahams]

trolley problem

?

 

[doobin]

?

Trolley problem - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JD450A]

Just flip the switch post the first bogie and derail it.

Engineers > Philosophers

 

[Smiffy]

For some reason a lot of people seem to think you can only let a self driving car on the road if it is infallible. Surely if it is safer than a human driver that is good enough. Given the standards of driving I'm seeing that is not that high a bar. I'm sure there are a lot of people about who don't have a UK licence. It is quite common to see people on the motorway near me doing 30 to 40 mph and obviously scared of the amount and speed of the rest of the traffic.
Also I have had two old people run in to my pickup recently, both of whom should have given up their licence some time ago given the damage all round their cars. The first one just drove off, but was caught on CCTV and the second we were in a queue just couldn't care less. I hope by the time I get doddery I can be chauffeured around by my car and keep my independence.

I think a lot of the problem is accountability. A computer even a.i cant be held accountable.