Electric vehicles

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sfrs4

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Our DHL delivery driver now has a fully electric Merc Sprinter, rang us yesterday as we are daily collection customers, told us someone forgot to put them on charge on Sunday night, so she was now sat waiting for it to charge on a public charger, and was going to be running 2hr late at least. luckily we have daily collections from three different companies so just moved the DHL parcels across, I can see this being more of a problem in the future!
 
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Brendan

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In laws have had a Kia Nitro from new .
8 years old now. Been told by the dealer the battery is only charging to 20%. 7k for a new battery .
Getting rid unsurprisingly
Bit late now but they could have had a battery check done a year ago and would have been done under warranty. If it's only got 20% of it's capacity it's been getting bad for a while
 
V8Druid

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Bit late now but they could have had a battery check done a year ago and would have been done under warranty. If it's only got 20% of it's capacity it's been getting bad for a while
Kia's 7 year warranty only covers electrical items for 3 years ... body/paint only is 7 years :cry: ..... 's a lorra small print in their warranty doc.s :mad:
 
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Smiffy

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Kia's 7 year warranty only covers electrical items for 3 years ... body/paint only is 7 years :cry: ..... 's a lorra small print in their warranty doc.s :mad:

Big ticket electricals like ECU's are covered and drive line components. It's things like lights and window motors that are excluded.
Imo choosing a vehicle with long warranty is important as they are taking a gamble on themselves as they know regardless of wording there is a chance they will have to pay out for some people to stop incidents like the Navara chassis fiasco happening.
So essentially Toyota reckon the vast majority of their vehicles are good for 10 years. Whereas ford are only willing to bet on their vehicles lasting 3 years.
Vehicles always brake down and it will always be a gamble as to whether a manufacturer or dealer will pay out. But I would rather buy from a company that has enough faith in their own vehicles to give a decent warranty.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Big ticket electricals like ECU's are covered and drive line components. It's things like lights and window motors that are excluded.
Imo choosing a vehicle with long warranty is important as they are taking a gamble on themselves as they know regardless of wording there is a chance they will have to pay out for some people to stop incidents like the Navara chassis fiasco happening.
So essentially Toyota reckon the vast majority of their vehicles are good for 10 years. Whereas ford are only willing to bet on their vehicles lasting 3 years.
Vehicles always brake down and it will always be a gamble as to whether a manufacturer or dealer will pay out. But I would rather buy from a company that has enough faith in their own vehicles to give a decent warranty.
when i bought the Sportage I specifically asked the sales guy about the dash and majors .. he said three years :rolleyes:
 
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Brendan

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Big ticket electricals like ECU's are covered and drive line components. It's things like lights and window motors that are excluded.
Imo choosing a vehicle with long warranty is important as they are taking a gamble on themselves as they know regardless of wording there is a chance they will have to pay out for some people to stop incidents like the Navara chassis fiasco happening.
So essentially Toyota reckon the vast majority of their vehicles are good for 10 years. Whereas ford are only willing to bet on their vehicles lasting 3 years.
Vehicles always brake down and it will always be a gamble as to whether a manufacturer or dealer will pay out. But I would rather buy from a company that has enough faith in their own vehicles to give a decent warranty.
Ranger is 3 years yet the ranger based amarok is 5 years
 
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Brendan

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Kia's 7 year warranty only covers electrical items for 3 years ... body/paint only is 7 years :cry: ..... 's a lorra small print in their warranty doc.s :mad:
Think the Kia EV have something like 7 year 100k on the battery for having 70% of the original battery capacity during that window. If it's only capable of 20% if it was within the warranty period it would/should have been changed under warranty
 
Lancs Lad

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Think the Kia EV have something like 7 year 100k on the battery for having 70% of the original battery capacity during that window. If it's only capable of 20% if it was within the warranty period it would/should have been changed under warranty
Hmmm interesting. Trouble is they are in their 70s. And pretty gullible but still independent 😏.
They've since picked a year old niro 😖
 
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Brendan

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Hmmm interesting. Trouble is they are in their 70s. And pretty gullible but still independent 😏.
They've since picked a year old niro 😖
It's a bit late now but it's not something like a setting limiting the target charge rather than the battery not taking charge, it's not unknown for a certain type of salesperson to prey on older people. Biggest tell would be if it miraculously ends up on the forecourt after a few days
 
Lancs Lad

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It's a bit late now but it's not something like a setting limiting the target charge rather than the battery not taking charge, it's not unknown for a certain type of salesperson to prey on older people. Biggest tell would be if it miraculously ends up on the forecourt after a few days
Hmmm that's fuelled my suspicions...trouble is he's an independent old bugger 😄 tells me stuff after he's done it
 
V8Druid

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they're so good it needs this to get them going !!!!!! what a load of sh1t


" The UK government has pledged £1bn in funding to support the adoption of electric commercial vehicles, and for the installation of chargers at depots.


The Zero Emissions Truck and Van grants and the Depot Charging Scheme (DCS) aim to tackle two of the biggest barriers to businesses making the switch - upfront costs and access to charging.
With the closure of the Strait of Hormuz threatening to keep pressure on oil prices, the Department for Transport’s Office for Zero Emission Vehicles noted that ‘global fuel price uncertainty is challenging for businesses’ and said that these grants will support a switch to electric, reducing exposure to price uncertainty.
The truck grant will offer savings of up to £81,000 off the heaviest zero emissions trucks, covering up to 40% of the cost. The van grant will continue to offer discounts of up to £5,000 off the cost of electric vans.
Under the depot charging scheme, businesses and public authorities could save up to £1 million, covering up to 70% of the cost, when installing charging infrastructure for vans, coaches, and eHGVs, thanks to a £170 million boost to the programme.
Aviation, maritime and decarbonisation minister Keir Mather, said, “This £1 billion investment cuts cost for British businesses, supports jobs, cleans up our roads, and gives operators protection against shifting global fuel prices.

“The logistics sector is the backbone of the UK economy, worth £170 billion and supporting 2.7 million jobs. We’re helping them expand and decarbonise their fleets whilst saving them cash, driving growth up and down the country.” "
 
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Brendan

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they're so good it needs this to get them going !!!!!! what a load of sh1t


" The UK government has pledged £1bn in funding to support the adoption of electric commercial vehicles, and for the installation of chargers at depots.


The Zero Emissions Truck and Van grants and the Depot Charging Scheme (DCS) aim to tackle two of the biggest barriers to businesses making the switch - upfront costs and access to charging.
With the closure of the Strait of Hormuz threatening to keep pressure on oil prices, the Department for Transport’s Office for Zero Emission Vehicles noted that ‘global fuel price uncertainty is challenging for businesses’ and said that these grants will support a switch to electric, reducing exposure to price uncertainty.
The truck grant will offer savings of up to £81,000 off the heaviest zero emissions trucks, covering up to 40% of the cost. The van grant will continue to offer discounts of up to £5,000 off the cost of electric vans.
Under the depot charging scheme, businesses and public authorities could save up to £1 million, covering up to 70% of the cost, when installing charging infrastructure for vans, coaches, and eHGVs, thanks to a £170 million boost to the programme.
Aviation, maritime and decarbonisation minister Keir Mather, said, “This £1 billion investment cuts cost for British businesses, supports jobs, cleans up our roads, and gives operators protection against shifting global fuel prices.

“The logistics sector is the backbone of the UK economy, worth £170 billion and supporting 2.7 million jobs. We’re helping them expand and decarbonise their fleets whilst saving them cash, driving growth up and down the country.” "
Don't think it's much different than the schemes already going up to 5k grant on commercial vehicles upto 3.5t, doesn't apply to quite a few hybrids though as need to be able to do something like 60 miles on pure electric so the hybrid ranger and Hilux don't qualify.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Don't think it's much different than the schemes already going up to 5k grant on commercial vehicles upto 3.5t, doesn't apply to quite a few hybrids though as need to be able to do something like 60 miles on pure electric so the hybrid ranger and Hilux don't qualify.
I read the article as plug ins only :unsure:
 
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Brendan

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I read the article as plug ins only :unsure:
They have to meet a set mileage I think it's 60 miles, the newest ranger phev can only do sub 25 miles on pure electric so doesn't qualify and doesn't self charge so plug in, silly mistake on fords part as would entice a few more sales and wouldn't take more than just increasing the battery to meet the mileage limit
Hilux hybrid on the other hand I don't think it can do anything on just the battery alone.

There is a dmax ev coming out and will go have a look at it when the dealer gets the demo vehicle in and see if they'll let me hook the 3t up, as it can tow 3.5t and has a 1t payload, would image it's payload is still 6t ISH so it's one or the other.
Marketing has it as "the pickup that's built for real life" but it's...
A, too expense
B, range is pathetic at 167 miles to a charge so you can scrub at least 10% off that
C, be lucky to barely manage a third of its range towing

So not really built for real life unless you do less than 40 miles a day with a trailer, and would imagine fully loaded will knock a good third off that 167 range

The new Hilux EV has similar sort of range and rows something like 2.5t

As it stands for ev pickups costs are stupid, performance is also pathetic, useless range for the real world working vehicle
 
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Smiffy

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They have to meet a set mileage I think it's 60 miles, the newest ranger phev can only do sub 25 miles on pure electric so doesn't qualify and doesn't self charge so plug in, silly mistake on fords part as would entice a few more sales and wouldn't take more than just increasing the battery to meet the mileage limit
Hilux hybrid on the other hand I don't think it can do anything on just the battery alone.

There is a dmax ev coming out and will go have a look at it when the dealer gets the demo vehicle in and see if they'll let me hook the 3t up, as it can tow 3.5t and has a 1t payload, would image it's payload is still 6t ISH so it's one or the other.
Marketing has it as "the pickup that's built for real life" but it's...
A, too expense
B, range is pathetic at 167 miles to a charge so you can scrub at least 10% off that
C, be lucky to barely manage a third of its range towing

So not really built for real life unless you do less than 40 miles a day with a trailer, and would imagine fully loaded will knock a good third off that 167 range

The new Hilux EV has similar sort of range and rows something like 2.5t

As it stands for ev pickups costs are stupid, performance is also pathetic, useless range for the real world working vehicle

The current hybrid hilux is just a big alternator and a small battery. They actually have worse real world mpg than the same engine without the hybrid bit.

I think the new one is a proper hybrid when it's released.

The new maxus is 3500kg towing capacity and full electric but near 50 grand for Chinese vehicle.

New ssangyong/kgm also due out full electric.
 
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Brendan

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The current hybrid hilux is just a big alternator and a small battery. They actually have worse real world mpg than the same engine without the hybrid bit.

I think the new one is a proper hybrid when it's released.

The new maxus is 3500kg towing capacity and full electric but near 50 grand for Chinese vehicle.

New ssangyong/kgm also due out full electric.
Sangyong I don't think it can do 3.5t towing the maxus also barely legally tows 3.5t which is a shame as it was the first to market with the brakes capacity just doesn't have the train weight to do so it has a 6.5t train weight and weighs something like 2.88t unladen (not including towbar, roller or canopy), which means your at max weight by the time your sat it in and need to carry near enough zero kit. I have probably sent 5 emails so far to maxus with no reply as was debating the change as on paper it works and the fuel saving would pay for it self in a handful of years between the selling the ranger and buying the maxus. There's still the great unknown about how reliable maxus are and looking on the groups very little info on how far it can tow 3.5t.
I did get in contact with svtech and at the time there is no gtw upgrade possible for it either
 
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Brendan

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Another big minus for e terron they start early 50k plus vat and as they don't have a 1t payload I'm sure you can't claim the vat back, not 100% on the aia with it being an ev pickup think there is an electric vehicle 100% write off but lack of 1t payload I think wouldn't allow it anyway
 
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