Sany Sy26c

[JD450A]

Personally I think we are sat on a cliff edge..... You won't sell quality for sensible prices when it comes crashing down anymore than you will sell tat.

There is not enough margin now on any high quality Chinese takeaway (Sany, XCMG etc) to make them worth the risk of the lack of aftersales..... They are good machines, I have sat on a 5t XCMG and there is no difference to the Kubota it takes it's styling from. But once you buy it you need to be getting decades out of it as the resale is too s**t to sell despite there lies and attempts to keep them out of auctions where they fetch bargain basement prices.

That said I'm not a fan of any new mini ex. There all pretty boring, have too much tech and are too expensive.

 

[doobin]

The offset only goes 45 degrees to the left on a Yanmar. Not the end of the world for some things but so much of my work I end up looking out the door when I'm working- getting in close to a ditch etc. I guess I'd get used to it after awhile but I hired one once and found it most annoying!

The offset is a killer isn't it? It's also a super uncomfy cab. You feel like you're perched on a school bench and the cab roof is right in your eyeline. Quick on the tracking (though I felt it might not have the torque on steel hills) and it happily worked grab, rotate, arm, boom and tracking all at once which is key for my work.

I really wanted to like it (all that spec and capability for 30.5k) but after half an hour in one I knew I could never live with it.

 

[Vinpetrol]

I was in the market for a 1.8t recently . On the back of years of excellent service from my Volvo ec18c . I went for another Volvo in the end which wasn’t a tough decision but I’d actually commited on a Sany from Ross first , but he’d sold out of them before I made my mind up. I think they are starting to sell themselves now and I’m hearing lots of good stuff about the newer models . I spoke with a demo guy on Friday and he has a 15 tonne and 8 toner and loves them . He did have dpf issues with one but he said the after sales was brilliant and they came up from glasgow and changed the whole system in pretty quick time .

 

[doobin]

For reference a 2021 with 2000 hours just made 15k at euros……….. depreciation isn’t a problem. Heck it's only just out of warranty. We sold 3 year old sy26s last year for 20k, had guys from Ireland Europe and UK interested.

Well they must be mental because you can get a new one with warranty for £5k more!

Field and Forest are big on Sany as I'm sure you know. Had one on the same job on a wooded hillside as my E27- no way I'd ever have one for my work. Ideal machine for someone else to drive maybe but I don't think the price reflects that any more.

I'd imagine the anti dumping tarrifs that JCB successfully lobbied for have really hammered their margins.

 

[doobin]

Yeah all fair points and I agree entirely with them. Guess was trying to be a bit cheap and have it as 2nd machine that could run a rotating grab and not something id be afraid to give it a bit of rough and ready/machine to leave on sites where exposed to public/thefts etc

You'd not leave a £25k 1.8t Wacker with any less security than your £33k 2.7t Wacker, so why would you treat a £25k Sany any different?

If you want a second 2.7t machine for the reasons you suggest I think you need to be looking secondhand to make the figures stack up.

 

[Storrsy]

You'd not leave a £25k 1.8t Wacker with any less security than your £33k 2.7t Wacker, so why would you treat a £25k Sany any different?

If you want a second 2.7t machine for the reasons you suggest I think you need to be looking secondhand to make the figures stack up.

There just aren't any decent 2nd hand machines around. Yeah plenty of usual ex hire/fleet stuff @£16-20k. There's a Yanmar near to me which does have the dual lines etc but done 1300hrs and is £23k. Id sooner just spend an extra £8k and get brand new if thats the case. Plus none of the used oneswill have the S30 hitch in so that means spending more on top.

 

[Furniss]

your more motivated than me ....its been raining for 6 weeks !

 

[Storrsy]

I'm not motivated by anything at the minute! just the forthcoming end of tax year, Frankly I'd much rather just keep the money in the bank! But inevitably could do with upgrading the old Tb125 so now would seem a logical time to do it.
Had a price for the Sany. £25k with hyd hitch but no buckets (I'd sort my own buckets)

 

[Storrsy]

your more motivated than me ....its been raining for 6 weeks !

It's been raining more than 6 weeks. Started November. Shat it down all December except Xmas, back to work work 1st Jan and it started up again and hasnt stopped since!

 

[Furniss]

Marcus was no mug

"Reflect too on the yawning gulf of past and future time, in which all things vanish. So in all this it must be folly for anyone to be puffed with ambition, racked in struggle, or indignant at his lot as this was anything lasting or likely to trouble him if for long"

 

[Regy53]

Well they must be mental because you can get a new one with warranty for £5k more!

Field and Forest are big on Sany as I'm sure you know. Had one on the same job on a wooded hillside as my E27- no way I'd ever have one for my work. Ideal machine for someone else to drive maybe but I don't think the price reflects that any more.

I'd imagine the anti dumping tarrifs that JCB successfully lobbied for have really hammered their margins.

You can't get a new one with warranty for 5k more. But it shows somewhere the machines are holding up... It was across the board 1.5 to 13 tonnes. Residuals held up

thing is what you expect Sany to maybe be like a back street digger manufacture is not the right perception. The factory's are unlike anything I have ever seen in my life i wish I could bottle up a quarter of it to show people.

Somewhere I saw a comment on lack of aftersales. Again we have had zero issues with this, luckily we don't have much warranty issues but we do look after a few key accounts for repairs etc usually damage . Not really struggled to get any parts etc . As I say the perception many hold is sadly incorrect

 

[Storrsy]

Marcus was no mug

"Reflect too on the yawning gulf of past and future time, in which all things vanish. So in all this it must be folly for anyone to be puffed with ambition, racked in struggle, or indignant at his lot as this was anything lasting or likely to trouble him if for long"

I like this, but I don't think I fully understand it either

 

[Storrsy]

I guess Sany have likely priced it right at £25k tbf. Any cheaper than that and you'd have to ask yourself what are they skimping on and who's paying the price. It's enough less than a mainstream at £30-32k but perhaps not so cheap that it gives the impression of being garbage.

 

[Regy53]

I have never really posted on the subject here because I don't want to sound like I'm pushing my views upon anybody , I'd rather just stay in my own lane.
If anybody has the opportunity to go and see the manufacturing facility's over there is highly recommend it. They are so far advance technically it is incredible to see. You also see that we are fed some propaganda in the west not of Sany but just of china in general. I'm sure it goes on everywhere. But the factory's are clean , clinical , lots of robots, consistent quality and innovative. They do sadly make some other manufacturering facility's look very dated. I'm not sure if all china excavator manufacture is the same but there's a reason cat and others have kit built there.

 

[Regy53]

There is a man on that crane.....

I can't upload images as there to big but when in back from America I will put some things up .

 

[Storrsy]

Id agree it's getting harder to use the but it's made in china argument. The chinese as we know can produce some utter junk (just look on Amazon at all the tat,) but equally can turn out serious quality now as well. Augertorque now made in china Including my own one (which I didn't realise untill recently) which is 11 years old and been faultless. Japanese stuff is now regarded as high end stuff but looks at it back in the 70s copying everything left right and center and socially not exactly viewed favourably after the war.

 

[Vinpetrol]

Id agree it's getting harder to use the but it's made in china argument. The chinese as we know can produce some utter junk (just look on Amazon at all the tat,) but equally can turn out serious quality now as well. Augertorque now made in china Including my own one (which I didn't realise untill recently) which is 11 years old and been faultless. Japanese stuff is now regarded as high end stuff but looks at it back in the 70s copying everything left right and center and socially not exactly viewed favourably after the war.

That’s a point I’ve been banging on about . I remember when guys were taking a punt on Hitachi’s in the late 70s early 80s The first ones were ok and fast , 2nd generation wiped the floor with everything upto 20tonne size . After that they had a huge chunk of the market . It would have been even bigger had they not bedded fiat/ iveco for a while .

 

[Lancs Lad]

Id agree it's getting harder to use the but it's made in china argument. The chinese as we know can produce some utter junk (just look on Amazon at all the tat,) but equally can turn out serious quality now as well. Augertorque now made in china Including my own one (which I didn't realise untill recently) which is 11 years old and been faultless. Japanese stuff is now regarded as high end stuff but looks at it back in the 70s copying everything left right and center and socially not exactly viewed favourably after the war.

Strange times.
I think we all know the stuff we like is made in china ...Milwaukee etc.
But I think it's more the concept that we all know why it's cheaper and are we that fussed? I know first hand folk who've been out there and seen the dormitories in factories etc.

The thing I still can't fathom is how we are so obsessed in green and clean that we are shutting all our industries/power plants down here to meet targets and yet we still all want tat and so it's all made over there and shipped over the world and that's somehow ok...and noone gives a ff.

A glance at euros Chinese tat list every auction atm tells a story as well.

 

[Regy53]

The reason it's cheaper isn't always a about the product itself . More how it's manufauctred. If you have factory's full of robots they don't need light or heat and is a consistsnt 24/7 operation with generally the same quality every time .

The issue is we all have ideas on what kind of factory and quality is out Into stuff from china. I can't talk for others but Sany makes UK manufacures look like that. There's even robots pushing parts around the warehouse floors. There's machines putting washers on bolts , there's machines putting bolts in order . It turns out it's just clever manufacturing something the car industry has had for many years

One factory complex I went to alone was 900 acres of reclaimed land and many factory's within all factorys you would eat your dinner of the floor.

 

[Storrsy]

Strange times.
I think we all know the stuff we like is made in china ...Milwaukee etc.
But I think it's more the concept that we all know why it's cheaper and are we that fussed? I know first hand folk who've been out there and seen the dormitories in factories etc.

The thing I still can't fathom is how we are so obsessed in green and clean that we are shutting all our industries/power plants down here to meet targets and yet we still all want tat and so it's all made over there and shipped over the world and that's somehow ok...and noone gives a ff.

A glance at euros Chinese tat list every auction atm tells a story as well.

It's tricky because a few of us or even a lot of us with morals and principles over it is going to make absolutely no difference regards trying to avoid buying from China. In the same way UKs pathetic green agendas is not going to make the slightest difference to global warming, sea levels or the plight of the pangolin, the tide is turning on western industries and even though I don't like it I do think many of the European/japanese brands are going to struggle to either maintain their sales unless they either move out to China like Cat, or cut down on quality. All a bit sad really but every dog has it's day