doobin
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It's bad enough on a full size backhoe! My NH110 was awful with a full bucket out to the side.
Centre pivot is the way forward if you need to swing out to the sides all the time.
Centre pivot is the way forward if you need to swing out to the sides all the time.
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Stroppymonkey
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V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
bit of an understatement ... 3CX was a " bit iffy " - that little thing'd be a seat foam moment a minute, I'd think
doobin
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I don't want another. Just doesn't work for me.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
but look at what he's asking for it
Simon edwards
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you soon get used to it just like any machine you use regularly,you learn to preempt any tippy situations and it becomes quite normal to be lifting a leg etc.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
yep ...
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Stroppymonkey
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£14K more than @doobin which was 7 years older... and lower spec and I think higher hours? New ones are punching well over double that. Guess you get what you pay for to some degree. If seller paid 3K for added side shift, hes hoping to get that back on the sale I expect, which he wont as extras do not add much value on the used market.but look at what he's asking for it
Plus its been up for a couple weeks and not sold. Maybe £29999+vat ?
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
know what you mean, but still a big bundle of wedge for a 10yr old machine, with 5.2k on the clock (and the hoses, pins, bushes, engine, box, axles, etc., etc.) - at the point where it is gonna start 'needing'
Simon edwards
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Probably even more “interesting” with a craneyep ...
hiluxman
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That's it, get the leg in the air like you just don't care.
As you say when your on one regularly you know what to expect.
You only have to look at the 3cx dual drive and what your doing with no legs down...mind I was doing that for years leaning over back seat operating the backend to say grab a bucket full of coni off the lorry then reversing down and sprinkling it out for the kerbing lads. Ect
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Oh yeh ....Probably even more “interesting” with a crane
.... was bad enough with Ol' JakieBhad this up on one rear leg once ... sheltered where I was sat, lifting cladding packs - no one told me it was blowing like ****, up top - the first pack was the last - was real lucky she sat straight back down on her jacking pads - in still air was good for 4t and only had 2t on the hook - that's the power of a hooley
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V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
yeh it's surprising what you can get away with on rubber on a BHL - far over the side not recommended thoughThat's it, get the leg in the air like you just don't care.
As you say when your on one regularly you know what to expect.
You only have to look at the 3cx dual drive and what your doing with no legs down...mind I was doing that for years leaning over back seat operating the backend to say grab a bucket full of coni off the lorry then reversing down and sprinkling it out for the kerbing lads. Ect
after 10 years on a duck I'd probably get away with even more nowadays
Simon edwards
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Even now after Christ knows how many thousand hours on em I still (occasionally) go a bit close to the edge, but usually manage to make it look under control with a well practiced deadpan expression learnt through decades of close calls
Gunners
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I agree with Doobin, coming from a mini makes a backhoe feel awful. Its certainly something that comes with time, knowing how far they will go before lifting a leg. Without the bucket down - not very far! Yet with the kingpost in the right position you can go surprisingly far too. I'm told you can lean one right over and touch the floor out the side window before pulling it back again, but I haven't tried it
As for the 2CX, 2DX etc. These model names have been used for years and there is several incarnations of the model over the decades. Its the 2B that had the removable back end back then. Great idea, but as I think we are all learning with our excavators - versatility is great, but its not always the best machine for the job. JCB tried again in the 00's with the Midi CX. Super rare to find one now but must have been ideal for small holders, large estates etc. But ultimately a very small market.
You'd think versatility is what you would want from a machine. The ability to do as much as possible with one piece of kit is certainly very appealing to those of us on here with our own little business's. But these machines never actually seem to take off in the way you would think they should. The backhoe concept itself is prone to this! Site managers want a telehandler because it will do a better job of fork duties. An excavator because its a better digger, and a dumper because it allows the excavator to keep digging while it tips elsewhere - and works cleaner.
I see the same thing with forks on excavators - although there is a lot of issues with excessive fork use we now see on sites, ultimately, its taking the machine away from its main job - digging! It wouldn't surprise me if sites started moving away from excavator forks soon, especially once a few loads are dropped.... For them, the cost of a telehandler sat there for use as and when just isn't an issue.
For us - well, we wouldn't be dropping stuff in the first place so its not safety that concerns us, but track wear etc. But on small tight sites, one machine to rule them all works well, and that's how I've been making my backhoe work for me.
Now if only I could sell my tractor and fit the flail to the 3cx somehow.....
As for the 2CX, 2DX etc. These model names have been used for years and there is several incarnations of the model over the decades. Its the 2B that had the removable back end back then. Great idea, but as I think we are all learning with our excavators - versatility is great, but its not always the best machine for the job. JCB tried again in the 00's with the Midi CX. Super rare to find one now but must have been ideal for small holders, large estates etc. But ultimately a very small market.
You'd think versatility is what you would want from a machine. The ability to do as much as possible with one piece of kit is certainly very appealing to those of us on here with our own little business's. But these machines never actually seem to take off in the way you would think they should. The backhoe concept itself is prone to this! Site managers want a telehandler because it will do a better job of fork duties. An excavator because its a better digger, and a dumper because it allows the excavator to keep digging while it tips elsewhere - and works cleaner.
I see the same thing with forks on excavators - although there is a lot of issues with excessive fork use we now see on sites, ultimately, its taking the machine away from its main job - digging! It wouldn't surprise me if sites started moving away from excavator forks soon, especially once a few loads are dropped.... For them, the cost of a telehandler sat there for use as and when just isn't an issue.
For us - well, we wouldn't be dropping stuff in the first place so its not safety that concerns us, but track wear etc. But on small tight sites, one machine to rule them all works well, and that's how I've been making my backhoe work for me.
Now if only I could sell my tractor and fit the flail to the 3cx somehow.....
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Old Operator
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The Midi CX came out at just the wrong time, they just stopped building it when the Bosch Rexroth 25 mph hystat drive came about. I believe this system is in the 3CX Compact (basically a 2CX but hystat - done to lower the 2CX cost) The Midi sold many more in the states than it ever did over here. Their version had a centre post hoe with direct hoe controls.
I have to agree with Gunners that a backhoe loader does everything but not so efficiently. I look back on mine & using the front bucket like a dumper you were using 7.5 tonnes of machine @ 70Hp fuel use to transport 30 cwt of muck across site, & it was then not in its primary role of digging. The one thing they did score in was self mobilization of a big machine on a car licence for the one man band.
Anyone seen those small Marooka / Yamagucchi tracked dumpers that had a little blade on them? It struck me that a pair of these on the right job being filled by a mini/midi is about as efficient as you could get. The mini stays at the loading end, the dumpers transport, tip spread & up to a point compact with wise use of the tracks. I suppose though it takes 3 men - I admit this is where the say 2cx scores, all done by one man - there are no easy answers here
I have to agree with Gunners that a backhoe loader does everything but not so efficiently. I look back on mine & using the front bucket like a dumper you were using 7.5 tonnes of machine @ 70Hp fuel use to transport 30 cwt of muck across site, & it was then not in its primary role of digging. The one thing they did score in was self mobilization of a big machine on a car licence for the one man band.
Anyone seen those small Marooka / Yamagucchi tracked dumpers that had a little blade on them? It struck me that a pair of these on the right job being filled by a mini/midi is about as efficient as you could get. The mini stays at the loading end, the dumpers transport, tip spread & up to a point compact with wise use of the tracks. I suppose though it takes 3 men - I admit this is where the say 2cx scores, all done by one man - there are no easy answers here
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Stroppymonkey
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Smaller 4in1 bucket much better, suits the tractor size. Not as nice as the one I tried last week, some wear in the top pins which I couldn’t see when buying, can’t see it causing me too many issues and it was cheap enough, not sure what a new one is cost wise but I expect at least triple the cost.
Perfect for sprinkling 803 about to surface yard / lane and even with basic tractor controls it’s easy enough to grab up a decent bucket worth when nothing to push against.
Halfway to a poor man’s mini backhoe
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Old Operator
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I read up on Tafe, seems a simple tractor & brakes are oil immersed, no unnecessary complications. What is its top speed? As to the other half of the backhoe, Lewis have done some good backhoe attachments, some can side shift. Likewise Italian hoe maker Falconero - these were once sold for the Jinma tractor as against the Chinese LW6 hoe that was trouble. Jinma UK were once near me until they went bust. Neither hoe was cheap new but have seen both makes on Ebay used.
JD450A
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Excellent tractors. Think Indian built MF 100/200 series.
On another note this thread has put my arse in gear. Altered the Q/H to pick up the King supertrak bucket as it's better than the hideous oversized thing it came with. Now on fabbing forks to fit, can also pick up bobcat buckets.
Was going to sort the bottom of the hitch identical to the king but it's a ballache so stuck with the single 40mm pin the original hitch had. Means welding a additional point to the buckets but it's a lot less work than making the hitch work like the supertrak or a bobcat.
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6feetdown
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I really need to borrow some of that enthusiasm
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