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[Komatsu]

yeh I realise it's just a different colour coat of shiny sh1t on 'em Ol .... to get stick steer and all the niceties requires a LOT more plumbing to be added though .... not what you'd call a 'Bobby basic' install

Well you’ve lost me on “all the niceties”, and I can asure you it didn’t need a lot more plumbing, the whole install was done in well under a day, with the second day just running all the attachments up and going through the EC-oil set up, just basically a hand over, until I was happy with the process of changing stuff over.

 

[V8Druid]

Well you’ve lost me on “all the niceties”, and I can asure you it didn’t need a lot more plumbing, the whole install was done in well under a day, with the second day just running all the attachments up and going through the EC-oil set up, just basically a hand over, until I was happy with the process of changing stuff over.

well there'd be the prop. flow sharing valve for the breaker circuit to supply oil to the basic tilty control system Ol, plus there'd have to be a prop. valve to piggy back/tandem the orbital to allow it's alternate control, via the sticks and all of its associated pipework .. from what I've read elsewhere, stick steering's about 1800 quid - a lot of that'd be the cost of a prop. valve to achieve it. Plus any other necessary plumbing to achieve feeds, returns, etc. .... With a 'kit' of bits, organised to fit the gear, before starting, I can well see it being achievable in a day, especially with a van full of 'extras', fittings, hose swaging gear and anything else required by any self respecting, well equipped fitter ..... a day's plumbing spannering could achieve a lot, particularly if it's pre-prepped kit fitting. Wiring also takes time and needs putting in nicely. but when one does it on a daily basis, you'd get good at ..... or go home !!
I'm sure Aiden could contribute a great deal to this discussion, on the 'black art' of tilty installation .... if he chose

If I were to go out and splurge a large wedge of cash on a prop cetop valve, to parallel up with the orbital, it'd be a pretty quick install too, but it'd not stop there .... yon valve'd need controllers and then you'd need a roller in a stick to control them .........etc.
Mine doesn't earn, it's a convenience and a means to an end.

 

[Komatsu]

well there'd be the prop. flow sharing valve for the breaker circuit to supply oil to the basic tilty control system Ol, plus there'd have to be a prop. valve to piggy back/tandem the orbital to allow it's alternate control, via the sticks and all of its associated pipework .. from what I've read elsewhere, stick steering's about 1800 quid - a lot of that'd be the cost of a prop. valve to achieve it. Plus any other necessary plumbing to achieve feeds, returns, etc. .... With a 'kit' of bits, organised to fit the gear, before starting, I can well see it being achievable in a day, especially with a van full of 'extras', fittings, hose swaging gear and anything else required by any self respecting, well equipped fitter ..... a day's plumbing spannering could achieve a lot, particularly if it's pre-prepped kit fitting. Wiring also takes time and needs putting in nicely. but when one does it on a daily basis, you'd get good at ..... or go home !!
I'm sure Aiden could contribute a great deal to this discussion, on the 'black art' of tilty installation .... if he chose

If I were to go out and splurge a large wedge of cash on a prop cetop valve, to parallel up with the orbital, it'd be a pretty quick install too, but it'd not stop there .... yon valve'd need controllers and then you'd need a roller in a stick to control them .........etc.
Mine doesn't earn, it's a convenience and a means to an end.

Not sure what is needed, I just pull the levers, I just know we put the hitch on, put the tilty on, measured the hydraulic pipes and fitted them, he then went under the cab for a bit, wired the new joysticks up and that was it.

 

[V8Druid]

Not sure what is needed, I just pull the levers, I just know we put the hitch on, put the tilty on, measured the hydraulic pipes and fitted them, he then went under the cab for a bit, wired the new joysticks up and that was it.

I love that quote .... .. bet there was a bit of cursing and cussing at the lack of room under there ... and a few skinned knuckles, persuading it all in there

 

[Komatsu]

I love that quote .... .. bet there was a bit of cursing and cussing at the lack of room under there ... and a few skinned knuckles, persuading it all in there

That was very true!!....I did retreat to behind a brace of 340’s when the cussing started!!!, yeh going from the 160 to 148 there is a lack of space but that is the compromise of going for a reduced swing machine.

 

[Left hooker]

That was very true!!....I did retreat to behind a brace of 340’s when the cussing started!!!, yeh going from the 160 to 148 there is a lack of space but that is the compromise of going for a reduced swing machine.

try fitting tilty to 5 tonner

 

[V8Druid]

try fitting tilty to 5 tonner

I remember the pix Stu ..... condom fit

 

[CPS]

well there'd be the prop. flow sharing valve for the breaker circuit to supply oil to the basic tilty control system Ol, plus there'd have to be a prop. valve to piggy back/tandem the orbital to allow it's alternate control, via the sticks and all of its associated pipework .. from what I've read elsewhere, stick steering's about 1800 quid - a lot of that'd be the cost of a prop. valve to achieve it. Plus any other necessary plumbing to achieve feeds, returns, etc. .... With a 'kit' of bits, organised to fit the gear, before starting, I can well see it being achievable in a day, especially with a van full of 'extras', fittings, hose swaging gear and anything else required by any self respecting, well equipped fitter ..... a day's plumbing spannering could achieve a lot, particularly if it's pre-prepped kit fitting. Wiring also takes time and needs putting in nicely. but when one does it on a daily basis, you'd get good at ..... or go home !!
I'm sure Aiden could contribute a great deal to this discussion, on the 'black art' of tilty installation .... if he chose

Your right it takes a bit of time to fit the wheel steering system. ( track control is a lot simpler)
Proportional valve mounted in the system plumbed in and wired in, calibrated and should be good to go. I have done a few now and both were new models as such so no off the shelf kit had to make everything up and document for Rototilt to have. It also depends if the steering system is load sensing or not etc as to how it's fitted.
On a duck for me it's about 1.5 days work all in all, that's the tilt and the steering system.
We did this one a few months ago. The other thing to remember is this has to be CE complaint. So it has to cut out when you move the steering wheel and not work over 20kmh

 

[V8Druid]

Your right it takes a bit of time to fit the wheel steering system. ( track control is a lot simpler)
Proportional valve mounted in the system plumbed in and wired in, calibrated and should be good to go. I have done a few now and both were new models as such so no off the shelf kit had to make everything up and document for Rototilt to have. It also depends if the steering system is load sensing or not etc as to how it's fitted.
On a duck for me it's about 1.5 days work all in all, that's the tilt and the steering system.
We did this one a few months ago. The other thing to remember is this has to be CE complaint. So it has to cut out when you move the steering wheel and not work over 20kmhView attachment 1288

I'll bet tracks are easier Aiden
presumably a load sensed steering system is run off the main pumps.?

My issue in doing it is that my steering has it's own engine mounted pump & circuit so can't simply use a supply from my rotate circuit, which i use to power the VA-r, to provide the oil supply to do it ... very different pressures in each system - that said I've just looked and its 175/160 bar which isn't a huge difference - steering is the higher one , so has just given me more thoughts on the subject

 

[A9Driver]

This was our Steelwrist getting fitted at Volvo Stirling. It had been on one of our 140Ds and Steelwrist overhauled it before it was fitted to the 140E.

 

[BertB.]

Why is your machine missing a couple track pads?

 

[Hydremaduck]

Well I got tagged but in all honesty I cannot add anything of substance when it comes to adding joystick steering other than to confirm it knocks f**k out of the tyres when constantly on hard surfaces but I'll live with that for the benefits

JC added it to the Atlas with a valve block added in rear corner cupboard but how it worked it way beyond my pay grade
Hydrema had it from factory so again, I've no idea on the niceties of how!

 

[BertB.]

I posted these photos once before either on our Facebook group or my facebook group or on BCEF. But the guys that took over the engcon sales in Calgary a couple years ago also bought out this Sany and recently contacted me about buying it from them as they are looking to get a smaller demonstrator machine to make it easier to transport behind their van. They want $175,000CAD for it which is quite steep for me as I'm in that 'startup' phase trying to get the work and some financing. Apparently it would come with all these attachments, as well an autogreaser, and 'I Dig Best' grade control system which is worth about $26,000CAD. I talked to this financing outfit and of course they didn't want to deal with me as I'm just a startup. I wasn't surprised and didn't really want to be on the hook for that much money to start with. But I thought you guys might like to see some photos of a neat machine with the Canadian Rockies as a backdrop.

 

[V8Druid]

few bobs-worth of tackle there, for the bucks, Bert .... aside from the yellow thing it all comes with

 

[BertB.]

These guys at the time were a Sany dealer as well Eng con but they weren't very good at it and marked up the prices ridiculously and pretty much lost their shirts doing it. I however demo the Kobelco Blade Runner which was a really nice machine but all the gizmo's on the tilt-rotator didn't function properly and the salesman of course didn't know how to work it.

 

[BertB.]

This is the only machine I've used with a tilt-rotator it's an Indexator Rototilt in case you can't tell. It didn't have an automatic oil coupling system or anything fancy like that. But it had three buckets a home made 12" trenching bucket (shown), 24" tooth bucket, and a 30" or 32" ditching type bucket. Controls seemed to be of a solenoid type so no rollers or anything nice like that on the joysticks. It was purchased largely for doing golf course work so minimal disturbance was key. The 12" bucket was a pain in the ass to use as it would plug up right away with clay and would require digging out with a spade. I never used the 24" bucket but loved using the ditching bucket it was about as close to perfect as one could get for working in our shitty effing clay. Sadly this company was really weird to work for and they started running out of work and had to sell off a bunch of equipment and lay off a couple of us but that's a story for a different day.

 

[A9Driver]

Why is your machine missing a couple track pads?

Hi Sorry for the delay in replying. The tracks were off to get more track guides fitted.

 

[Mark]

These guys at the time were a Sany dealer as well Eng con but they weren't very good at it and marked up the prices ridiculously and pretty much lost their shirts doing it. I however demo the Kobelco Blade Runner which was a really nice machine but all the gizmo's on the tilt-rotator didn't function properly and the salesman of course didn't know how to work it.View attachment 1549View attachment 1550View attachment 1551View attachment 1552View attachment 1553View attachment 1554View attachment 1555

Anymore photos of the kobelco with the dozen blade Bert? Looking like one of they fancy v pat blade.

 

[BertB.]

Not of that machine in particular but that is a 6 way blade on that machine it's built specifically for dozer work and has a beefed up undercarriage to do it. Friend of mine has one of the first ones that came out in the late '90's.

 

[Aw Building & Groundwork]

Hi here’s a few pictures of my set up. Just about got the hang of it now .