Your thoughts now on Tiltrotators.

[V8Druid]

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doesn't seem bad value

PUP hitch though

 

[JD450A]

Overpriced Nonsense that is almost always used badly in the majority of cases.

The lack of effort in promoting secondhand units tells a story as does the seemingly similar pricing amongst manufacturers. Just my penneth

 

[doobin]

Overpriced Nonsense that is almost always used badly in the majority of cases.

The lack of effort in promoting secondhand units tells a story as does the seemingly similar pricing amongst manufacturers. Just my penneth

How do you mean lack of effort? Surely if rare secondhand that means people hold on to them.

 

[Furniss]

Overpriced Nonsense that is almost always used badly in the majority of cases.

The lack of effort in promoting secondhand units tells a story as does the seemingly similar pricing amongst manufacturers. Just my penneth

Overpriced yes, nonsense obviously not almost always used badly often yes

In certain instances on a job Im finding myself going back to the old style method of achieving a result .....I might choose to move the machine when I could do it without moving because ive got the tilty on, but it might actually be quicker or tidier to move the machine and do it and then be set up for the next part etc.... thats absolutely not to say I would say fook it and go back to a standard setup, its just a nod to your statement about overuse of them, perhaps its at that stage the real benefits start, not whirly gigging the bloody thing off the end all day long but using it when its actually best and not just cos you can, I wouldn't say im there yet and blending the 2 styles takes time and nouse I reckon...I suppose its only achievable if youve had years on a standard setup.

 

[Furniss]

I'm a year in.
Cost definitely needs looking at.
Be great if manufacturers bought into the plug and play.
I'd never used 1 until I bought mine had loads of great advice before buying from the guys on here, but experience is key.
Mine lacks / would be better if:-
1 Had a top hitch
2 Unable to drop it off as fixed pipes (rectifyable)
3 Has the longer dipper would be better with the short 1
4 Dedicated control unit cradles built into machines
5 Cost of buckets / attachments is high
6 S40 is heavy on a sub 3t machine
7 Extra hydraulic lines would be better
8 A better construction method to alleviate limited dig depth on narrow trenches, Nox looks good but i don't know enough to pass judgement
9 With the R1 I wish it had a button to automatically return to a pre set position e.g 90 degrees to dipper, I think R2 up they have it?

Use 1 and jump in a machine without, you realise straight away how useful they are.
The time saved in not having to constantly move / damage on uneven ground.

Tbh the ram isnt an issue in what I do, and its not hard to workaround but it would be better if it wasnt there, as long as it didnt give up too much power.
Actually wanted to put a nox on mine, would of bought one if they hadn't insisted that I put a tr11 on @ 320kg ! when the one that I wanted and supposedly covered upto 7t ie Tr07 is 200kg
Lost faith in them when they thought a tr11 was ok ...wtf

 

[6feetdown]

Tbh the ram isnt an issue in what I do, and its not hard to workaround but it would be better if it wasnt there, as long as it didnt give up too much power.
Actually wanted to put a nox on mine, would of bought one if they hadn't insisted that I put a tr11 on @ 320kg ! when the one that I wanted and supposedly covered upto 7t ie Tr07 is 200kg
Lost faith in them when they thought a tr11 was ok ...wtf

Yeah that is a lump for sure

 

[JD450A]

How do you mean lack of effort? Surely if rare secondhand that means people hold on to them.

There is a specific reason you don't see many on the open secondhand market in the UK

 

[doobin]

There is a specific reason you don't see many on the open secondhand market in the UK

All comes down to them being too pricey new then? Only takes one member to break ranks to break up a cartel. Who will be first?

 

[DaveDCB]

There is a specific reason you don't see many on the open secondhand market in the UK

As in private sellers?
My local Engcon fitter/dealer always has a nice selection of used ones to hand, definitely something I’d consider prior to new!

But for me 6 ton with tilty is the sweet spot, going up to 10/13 ton for me is a compact muck shifting machine and going down in size is just so it fits in back gardens etc which I rarely do so just hire them in.
So my head and wallet both say stick with what you have and rebuild it until the day I pack it all in!

 

[Monkeybusiness]

There is a specific reason you don't see many on the open secondhand market in the UK

I’d be more inclined to keep my tilty and change the machine it’s fitted to, particularly as I run them under a top hitch.
I possibly don’t fit the typical plant owner profile of new kit on finance chopped in against another every 3/4/5 years though, and don’t run up mega hours on any individual machine so can therefore run them longer than those who are digging holes on building sites every day.

 

[DaveDCB]

I possibly don’t fit the typical profile of anyone

I knew it!!

 

[JD450A]

I knew it!!

It's a they/them

From my understanding there is a extremely strong desire by manufacturers to buy back units rather than have them appear privately. With the units either being reconditioned, or just being scrapped. Why let the free market dictate prices when you can inflate the price.

Private sales seem to put most units in the £2000-5000 range in the UK. And I've yet to see a package sale secondhand of machine and tilty that makes what it comparatively "should" IMHO. If the buy back attitude changes there will be some sad faces.

You can buy a 1.5t digger for the price of a tiltys for a 5t machine..... Which is perhaps the stupidest reality check you could ever wish for.

And no disrespect at all to Furniss. But having watched from the sidelines and dabbled with others setups, I've seen very few that have actually advanced and made significant gains for the buyer.... Infact I've seen more people revert from high spec tilty equipped big machines to mini diggers with tiltys.... Many ways to look at it but personally the model isn't a sustainable one.

 

[Storrsy]

I have almost no use for a tilty whatsoever in my line of work- I'd find it an irritating hindrance 9/10. But I don't do traditional "groundworks" so much so not knocking those who do get the benefit . Could get behind a nice powertilt setup for a few jobs I do but that would be the limit for me so in the words of Deborah Meaden- sadly I'm out.

 

[V8Druid]

It's a they/them

From my understanding there is a extremely strong desire by manufacturers to buy back units rather than have them appear privately. With the units either being reconditioned, or just being scrapped. Why let the free market dictate prices when you can inflate the price.

Private sales seem to put most units in the £2000-5000 range in the UK. And I've yet to see a package sale secondhand of machine and tilty that makes what it comparatively "should" IMHO. If the buy back attitude changes there will be some sad faces.

You can buy a 1.5t digger for the price of a tiltys for a 5t machine..... Which is perhaps the stupidest reality check you could ever wish for.

And no disrespect at all to Furniss. But having watched from the sidelines and dabbled with others setups, I've seen very few that have actually advanced and made significant gains for the buyer.... Infact I've seen more people revert from high spec tilty equipped big machines to mini diggers with tiltys.... Many ways to look at it but personally the model isn't a sustainable one.

reckon that is pretty bang on Rory ... certainly here in the uk

 

[JD450A]

reckon that is pretty bang on Rory ... certainly here in the uk

It's in line with my apsolute pet hate of Microsoft making it as difficult as possible to purchase there software such as office and pushing everyone to have it on subscription. Nothing but a way to increase profits out of a fixed market that you cannot increase the size of.

I've studied it all quite hard and we are actively competing in a market with people that have tiltys, bio oil, GPS and similar "gimmicks" and will actively argue I cannot do the job because I've not got XYZ. So I study it reasonably well.

 

[TiltyShaun]

I would still not want to be without either of mine.

 

[CPS]

reckon that is pretty bang on Rory ... certainly here in the uk

Id have to disagree/argue that one. I know for a fact one of the main 3 dont really want your old units and will encourage you to sell privately.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Seems a gap in the market ..

CPS/ druidfab Collab ....gold tiltys.. Bingo

Jokes apart if someone rolls one out for 5k for a 3t size they going to cream it in?

 

[craig]

Seems a gap in the market ..

CPS/ druidfab Collab ....gold tiltys.. Bingo

Jokes apart if someone rolls one out for 5k for a 3t size they going to cream it in?

IIRC Engcon where doing basic units around that price, and some of the existing tilty users didn't like it Almost like they didn't want the great unwashed joining them
Yes they where perhaps limited in the control system, but if you where on the fence, cheaper way to see if it works for you?
A few years later now most machines can have 2 sets aux lines from the factory, may be its time for a basic 4 piper again.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Seems a gap in the market ..

CPS/ druidfab Collab ....gold tiltys.. Bingo

Jokes apart if someone rolls one out for 5k for a 3t size they going to cream it in?

They were selling something along those lines alongside Sunward diggers - I don’t think they looked cheap enough for a punt though (they were still big money for an unknown Chinese unit imo).