U27 vs KX27

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jurassic86

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Vinpetrol said:
If that's a high spec with buckets that's a great deal .
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I am not sure what a high spec is? He said it's got hydraulic hitch, one hydraulic line, beacons. I assume if it's got only the one hydraulic line it's not high spec?
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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jurassic86 said:
I am not sure what a high spec is? He said it's got hydraulic hitch, one hydraulic line, beacons. I assume if it's got only the one hydraulic line it's not high spec?
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Correct. Hi spec is twin sets of lines ( hoses) and controlled off rollers of the joystick. Basic spec is one set of aux of a pedal. After that I think theyre the same...
 
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Stroppymonkey

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KX030-4 is a funny size. Towable with a quickhitch and no bucket in a GH105BT but bang on the weight. Guess the KX027-4 means you can have a couple buckets as well. Stupid rules. Assume the KX027-4 doesnt sell in the US?
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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Stroppymonkey said:
KX030-4 is a funny size. Towable with a quickhitch and no bucket in a GH105BT but bang on the weight. Guess the KX027-4 means you can have a couple buckets as well. Stupid rules. Assume the KX027-4 doesnt sell in the US?
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Yeah exactly that. If your using a pickup you could put the buckets in the pickup to keep it near the weight but otherwise your basically running overweight with a proper 2.8t which is why alot of manufactures offer 2.6/2.7 to allow for a bucket or two.
I've been using my 1.8t alot the last few weeks diving around from job to job and it's so pleasant to tow around compared with the 2.8t where everything feels a bit like the tail wagging the dog.
 
V8Druid

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Vehicle between 3,500kg and 7,500kg carrying no more than 8 passengers plus driver, with trailer over 750kg and a combined weight of no more than 12,000kgC1E

is probably what got transferred Kev
 
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AHPP

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Furniss said:
Now 6t does 95% of work - move exactly when we want, often go round by quarry for aggregates as we go to work or muck away at end of day -fingers crossed but so far I haven't found the truck as expensive to maintain as a landrover and trailer - truck is designed to do the job.
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From what I've seen on here, I think your setup is very sweet indeed. What are the regulatory bits for a lorry your size in France? 6 weeklies, operating centre, operator licence etc?
 
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AHPP

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Storrsy said:
Yeah exactly that. If your using a pickup you could put the buckets in the pickup to keep it near the weight but otherwise your basically running overweight with a proper 2.8t which is why alot of manufactures offer 2.6/2.7 to allow for a bucket or two.
I've been using my 1.8t alot the last few weeks diving around from job to job and it's so pleasant to tow around compared with the 2.8t where everything feels a bit like the tail wagging the dog.
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The 2.6/2.7 for towing class is a red herring. Great if you get away with it but it's such a tight envelope. Total weight, nose weight, individual tow vehicle axle weights, individual trailer axle weights, hitches, buckets/attachments/implements, mud, fuel, other stuff on the trailer. Just too much buggeration. You might as well resticker a 3.5.

Something like 1.9-2.3 seems more realistic. I don't have the experience to say with certainty that you don't leave too much stability and power on the table but I suspect you don't. For a lot of people the ability to take more (timesaving) implements, save a trip taking stuff home etc will make up for any diminished heft.
 
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Storrsy

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AHPP said:
The 2.6/2.7 for towing class is a red herring. Great if you get away with it but it's such a tight envelope. Total weight, nose weight, individual tow vehicle axle weights, individual trailer axle weights, hitches, buckets/attachments/implements, mud, fuel, other stuff on the trailer. Just too much buggeration. You might as well resticker a 3.5.

Something like 1.9-2.3 seems more realistic. I don't have the experience to say with certainty that you don't leave too much stability and power on the table but I suspect you don't. For a lot of people the ability to take more (timesaving) implements, save a trip taking stuff home etc will make up for any diminished heft.
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My dad has a 2.4t Cat. That realistically is probably the heaviest thing that you can comfortably put on a trailer with all the bucket, perhaps a breaker/auger etc and know it will be within weight. It runs 3 ton buckets and for the most part as you say you don't really loose much over a proper 2.8t- I think it's a superb machine myself but the 2.8t really come in to their own if there is things like dumpy bags to move around whereas the Cat simply doesn't have enough weight behind it for that kind of thing
 
Furniss

Furniss

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AHPP said:
From what I've seen on here, I think your setup is very sweet indeed. What are the regulatory bits for a lorry your size in France? 6 weeklies, operating centre, operator licence etc?
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Cheers - its taken a long time to home in on the best setup for our work, tbf what we do has evolved along with the kit and first time in forever I arent preoccupied with how to improve the setup (for now)
RE the truck We have a thing called "FIMO" that is a 2 week course renewed every 5 years, needed if you carry other peoples merch, which we dont so dodged that.
After that then in our scenario (at present) there are none of the op license or weeklies etc
We have yearly test and emissions and tacko every 2 years - limiter yearly.
Saying that I would still go this route in the u.k despite the hassle, my mate with the 12t reckons (he has a yard) once your up and running its pretty straightforward.
 
V8Druid

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Furniss said:
Cheers - its taken a long time to home in on the best setup for our work, tbf what we do has evolved along with the kit and first time in forever I arent preoccupied with how to improve the setup (for now)
RE the truck We have a thing called "FIMO" that is a 2 week course renewed every 5 years, needed if you carry other peoples merch, which we dont so dodged that.
After that then in our scenario (at present) there are none of the op license or weeklies etc
We have yearly test and emissions and tacko every 2 years - limiter yearly.
Saying that I would still go this route in the u.k despite the hassle, my mate with the 12t reckons (he has a yard) once your up and running its pretty straightforward.
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and that is why, as said, the UK is such a PITA to run a truck, compared to Eu ... even though they are head and shoulders above what most are forced to put up with :rolleyes:
 
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AusDave

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Furniss said:
Average user goes out with his pickup and 3t digger to earn a living like the guy with a little truck but cant get anything else on it either space or weight wise and cant do muck away or aggregates in ( I know you can with an ifor tipper, I ran one for years but its very limited and a proper faff) and what about bloody trailer tyres , I lost count of how many I put on mine, and a pickup with 3.5t behind it is boderline safe, I had a 90 defender and they prob handle 3.5t better than a pickup but if it was greasy and you needed to stop in a rush then they werent the best of things,and towing 3.5t regularly rags the buggery out of the tow vehicle.
Its not like im saying its the best way because I did it, it makes absolutely no difference to me if someone tows their digger with a milk float, from my experience truck v pickup is a no brainer regardless of hoops.
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Agree 100%
 
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AHPP

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Furniss said:
there are none of the op license or weeklies etc
We have yearly test and emissions and tacko every 2 years - limiter yearly.
Saying that I would still go this route in the u.k despite the hassle, my mate with the 12t reckons (he has a yard) once your up and running its pretty straightforward.
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To me, that is a BIG difference. Fine if you're busy but a significant cost if you're happy to be quiet and let the truck sit around. A mate here has the yard but was feeling the costs of bureaucracy as he came closer to retirement. He sold his lorries (only a tiny bit smaller than yours) and bought a 2.4 as a retirement machine. Essentially ended the working life of his 5 tonner too.
 
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DaveDCB

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The Beauty with a pickup is it can do everything a car can do, plus tow 3.5ton.. with no hassle. Add a lorry in you still need a family car etc.. plus loosing a day every so often for testing, and if you can’t keep it at home it’s more bugger around. It certainly suits a lot of folk, and If I went back to day/weekly work I’d deffo run something like @Furniss as its imposible to work our size kit without your own transport otherwise.
I’m lucky I don’t move anything much at all, digger didn’t move sites for 4 years once! Next job was literally across the road so that was easy enough 😂
 
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