V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
competitions f***ed 
... no brainer
... no brainer
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
well they had me hooked 'til it said Hybrid .. so it's lugging batteries and only 6000lbs towing ... yet further down the page
New Toyota Land Cruiser: Here's how much the LR Defender rival costs
Thinking about buying a Defender? You might want to think again. That's because Toyota has unveiled its new Land Cruiser with retro styling and a raft of performance and tech upgrades.www.thisismoney.co.uk
On sale: Late 2023
Price: from approx £50,000
Seats: up to 7
Engine: 2.8-litre turbodiesel ......... seriously?????
.... it won't be that long 'fore a diesel'll be unsaleable here. if they don't get you with the fuel prices the MOT'll get yer. Transmission: 8-speed auto
Maximum power: 201bhp
Is there a green version? Mild-hybrid due around 2025
Length: 4,920mm
Width: 1,980mm
Height: 1,870mm
Wheelbase: 2,850mm
Towing capacity: 3,500kg make up yer minds ? 6,000lbs or 7,714lbs ???
at £50k I would've seeeeeriously thought about it
as an aside ... when the Jeep Grand Cherokee first hit the UK shores it was under £18k .. cheaper than a disco at the time and I seriously considered buying one - only option was fully loaded, 6 pot petrol ... for its time it was some vehicle for the money.
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Smiffy
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Toyota UK site says 3500kg I think they lost a wedge of the market with the last one as it was only 3.2t
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DaveDCB
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I much prefer it to anything else on the market, but it’s pathetic with only a 200hp option (for now?!)my Hilux is 171hp and heck it’s slow! Give me 300+ in a commercial version and I may well be interested.
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Monkeybusiness
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Sounds like it’s running the 2.8 Hilux engine and gearbox - where is the V8 diesel?!
However, I’d definitely buy one over the Ineos or Defender, I think it looks ace!
However, I’d definitely buy one over the Ineos or Defender, I think it looks ace!
JerryRtilt
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I think the Ineous and defender market globally just shrunk drastically, Seeing a awful lot of Defenders around here now, still seams to be plenty of people who need a hugely expensive hi tech off road capable vehicle to get the brats to school in this part of the world.
That Toyota looks fantastic, can see myself with one of those, hopefully there will be a commercial model, probably a fair bit more grunt available from the 2.8 with a good remap.
That Toyota looks fantastic, can see myself with one of those, hopefully there will be a commercial model, probably a fair bit more grunt available from the 2.8 with a good remap.
Lancs Lad
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Well they doing the V8 in Pacific region and that R/H drive so....
I feel they'll be a big market for imports in years to come as they push on with this electric crap.
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Brendan
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Land cruiser not officially coming to Europe.
Lots more defenders on the roads as they have unofficial replaced the discovery as eaten in to a lot of sales.
Grenadier group is starting to get quite a few niggles and issues only joined to have a look out of intrest
Lots more defenders on the roads as they have unofficial replaced the discovery as eaten in to a lot of sales.
Grenadier group is starting to get quite a few niggles and issues only joined to have a look out of intrest
Gunners
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I'm gutted you cant claim the vat back on the pickup Grenadier. There's so much to like about it but this single fact above all the other little negatives just kills it for me and I'm sure many others.
Lancs Lad
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Absolutely. Was at least 3 folk that cancelled their reservation at same time as me that's only the ones that I know of.
I struggle to see how it's ever going to be anything other than a toy .
Bit like JCB launching a new telehandler but saying you can't use it on a site only back gardens ...
The more I see the more I've gone off it looks wise ..just doesn't look right compared to traditional defender...can't say what but proportions look weird.
Gunners
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The backs ok, and the stupid double door setup isn't an issue on the pickup version. The front looks a bit of a mashup of defender, G wagon and Jimney. I think the front bumper is the main thing putting my eyes off. Needs a big winch bumper on it - I'm sure the Aussies will sort that when it gets over there - they love a good Roo barAbsolutely. Was at least 3 folk that cancelled their reservation at same time as me that's only the ones that I know of.
I struggle to see how it's ever going to be anything other than a toy .
Bit like JCB launching a new telehandler but saying you can't use it on a site only back gardens ...
The more I see the more I've gone off it looks wise ..just doesn't look right compared to traditional defender...can't say what but proportions look weird.
Honestly though, does anyone own a new truck that they really like? I'm not desperate to change my Navara, it can still go into ulezzzz for the time being... does 35mpg and hasn't done crazy miles, but its at that point of being worth alright money now, which in another couple of years will see it go through the worst bit of its depreciation. Once it bottoms out they don't really loose anymore if they still start and steer. So its keep it for another 5 years or chop it out now. And the double cab pickup is a great format for me - I'm not looking to move into a van anytime soon.
New Amarok was tempting as you don't need to deal with the Ford dealership... but the spec you get for the money isnt great. I've tried the Hilux and wasn't exactly blown away by it in any area. Am I missing something?
Is it time to go down the import route with the 70 series Landcruiser from Auz? The engine is incredible, the trucks built to work - but parts could be an issue and lets face it, they don't have the comfort of these modern pickups. Finding the balance these days seems very difficult.
doobin
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There's feck all to like about it at that money! Think of the machines that actually make money you could buy instead.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
yeh I know, but their launch video is saying 6000lbs ... so which is it ??
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Monkeybusiness
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I preferred my Navara to the current Hilux tbh.The backs ok, and the stupid double door setup isn't an issue on the pickup version. The front looks a bit of a mashup of defender, G wagon and Jimney. I think the front bumper is the main thing putting my eyes off. Needs a big winch bumper on it - I'm sure the Aussies will sort that when it gets over there - they love a good Roo bar
Honestly though, does anyone own a new truck that they really like? I'm not desperate to change my Navara, it can still go into ulezzzz for the time being... does 35mpg and hasn't done crazy miles, but its at that point of being worth alright money now, which in another couple of years will see it go through the worst bit of its depreciation. Once it bottoms out they don't really loose anymore if they still start and steer. So its keep it for another 5 years or chop it out now. And the double cab pickup is a great format for me - I'm not looking to move into a van anytime soon.
New Amarok was tempting as you don't need to deal with the Ford dealership... but the spec you get for the money isnt great. I've tried the Hilux and wasn't exactly blown away by it in any area. Am I missing something?
Is it time to go down the import route with the 70 series Landcruiser from Auz? The engine is incredible, the trucks built to work - but parts could be an issue and lets face it, they don't have the comfort of these modern pickups. Finding the balance these days seems very difficult.
My MAN van kicks the arse out of both of them though, I love it!
You could get one like this if you really must have a double cab though…
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6feetdown
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Exactly the same
kabin man
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https://flexmotor.com/phoenix
Flex motor in japan cashing in on the retro scene, opened up in USA now.
Some cool mods...
Flex motor in japan cashing in on the retro scene, opened up in USA now.
Some cool mods...
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Lee
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If you need a van get a man or iveco, if you want comfort, towing and general get to work with tools vehicle get a l322 rangie, latest version of that body with the 4.4v8 diesel. Cheap as chips, will out do any expensive pick up, new defender or grenadier out there and you can buy 3 machines to make money for you with the 60k you’ll save on the vehicle.
I love a new toy as much as the next person but the new pick up/commercial stuff is shite value and not actually very good. I’ll be continuing to fill my boots with old v8s whilst I can, not particularly looking forward to the no combustion engine future!
I love a new toy as much as the next person but the new pick up/commercial stuff is shite value and not actually very good. I’ll be continuing to fill my boots with old v8s whilst I can, not particularly looking forward to the no combustion engine future!
Lancs Lad
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That sums it up.The backs ok, and the stupid double door setup isn't an issue on the pickup version. The front looks a bit of a mashup of defender, G wagon and Jimney. I think the front bumper is the main thing putting my eyes off. Needs a big winch bumper on it - I'm sure the Aussies will sort that when it gets over there - they love a good Roo bar
Honestly though, does anyone own a new truck that they really like? I'm not desperate to change my Navara, it can still go into ulezzzz for the time being... does 35mpg and hasn't done crazy miles, but its at that point of being worth alright money now, which in another couple of years will see it go through the worst bit of its depreciation. Once it bottoms out they don't really loose anymore if they still start and steer. So its keep it for another 5 years or chop it out now. And the double cab pickup is a great format for me - I'm not looking to move into a van anytime soon.
New Amarok was tempting as you don't need to deal with the Ford dealership... but the spec you get for the money isnt great. I've tried the Hilux and wasn't exactly blown away by it in any area. Am I missing something?
Is it time to go down the import route with the 70 series Landcruiser from Auz? The engine is incredible, the trucks built to work - but parts could be an issue and lets face it, they don't have the comfort of these modern pickups. Finding the balance these days seems very difficult.
I've a feeling that bumper must be to do with crumple zones etc..
Had a look at amarok and waiting for new plate will report back in due course. Felt very ford like but dealer is what swayed me as I get on ok with them.
Tbh I love my current V6 amarok but I'm racking miles up and doing 700 mile's a week sometimes so getting shut before they plummet in value.
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Smiffy
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The lancruiser I posted is coming here . The Toyota UK site says UK order books are open
A guess would be 3500kg for uk market and 6000lbs for US market. The tanks don't think you can move more than a shopping cart without a v8
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Brendan
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Wish my ranger did 35mpg, cracking mpg if your Navara is getting that.
@Smiffy must have been the V8 that I read was not coming to Europe?
@Monkeybusiness the tge are smart but the 4x4 only has a 3t tow capacity and cannot be uprated
@Smiffy must have been the V8 that I read was not coming to Europe?
@Monkeybusiness the tge are smart but the 4x4 only has a 3t tow capacity and cannot be uprated
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