Vinpetrol
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Who’s building the engine ?
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Smiffy
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I believe it's actually Renault
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DaveDCB
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Pan America ..the top model Aventura ain't commercial as less than tonne payload .
Discount lol
That’s what I was eyeing up, I do think they look better in pan America spec anyway. Is it 12months as a very rough guide or is that reasonably accurate?
Lancs Lad
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I'd say rough guide, I got one of the first lot due over apparently...
Yes an Americana on BFGs will be ok
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DaveDCB
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They do seem to be keeping it under wraps a little bit, nothing on the website shouts out about ordering on
Lancs Lad
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I got on preorder list as told em I wanted one 12 months ago, crazy situation. Think main order book opens 1st week June
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DaveDCB
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Just been looking through finance deals, might not be the same on the pickup but crafter has £3500 deposit contribution and 2 free services.. worth signing up for it then cancelling after a month = discount 
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Lee
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I can’t see how you lot can stomach the depreciation on theses types of trucks, I gave up buying new pick ups and vans years ago. Occasionally I spec up a van the way I’d want it if buying new but they’re ridiculously expensive and would probably drop 20k in the first year or two. The pick ups are all rubbish, not really work trucks, full of plastic and fall to bits and you’re stuck with a warranty worth next to f all.
Not being daft but I can’t work out how they sell so well. Want a nice car to get cash out the business get a Tesla, want a van buy a van, want a tow vehicle buy a Range Rover or a disco with plenty of miles under its belt that’s already lost all its money and will still do the job better than these pick ups. What am I missing?
Not being daft but I can’t work out how they sell so well. Want a nice car to get cash out the business get a Tesla, want a van buy a van, want a tow vehicle buy a Range Rover or a disco with plenty of miles under its belt that’s already lost all its money and will still do the job better than these pick ups. What am I missing?
Lancs Lad
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A commercial so van tax.. that drives nicer than most cars ..tows 3.5 tonne and carries 1t in the back most importantly is reliable as f.
Imo does all those you mention in one .
Plus at the minute depreciation is minimal...won't last I guess.
That's my experience.has 3 amaroks with think apart from hand brake tightening they've never been in garage apart from services.
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Lee
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I’ve only ever tried an early amarok and the auto box was all over the place and had the undersized engine screaming all the time with the full 3.5t on plus the lad had nothing but problems with it, so maybe a bad one to base opinion on. Literally everyone I know with rangers has had trouble with them and ford in general. What sort of money is it costing to change each time? It used to be about £5k/year when pick ups were cheap, must be way north of that now
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Monkeybusiness
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I had 4 Navaras from new, one after the other bought outright and they essentially all cost me £2k a year in depreciation once I’d paid to swap. I’d keep them 3 years and have another new one (I kept one of them for 5 years and it still worked out the same).
Have had a Hilux this time and bought it right with a big NFU discount. It’s just over a year old and probably still worth similar to what I paid for it (but it’s the cost of changing it that’s the real reflection of its value).
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Lee
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2k/year is cracking value and I’d be very happy at that, take the mot, possibly tyres, brakes, clutch etc costs off too if only running for 3 years and it’s basically free motoring. How many miles to you put on to get that figure back? Are they as new and immaculate going back?
Last ones I had new where double cab 110, bought for 27, sold two years and 13k miles later cost 5k/yr and nearly £1/mile. Replaced with Isuzu twin cab at 25k new 3 years later 60k miles about 8k. 5.7k/yr. new Nissan/Renault/Citroen all similar drop in value.
Tend to buy vans 2 yr old with 20-50k on now usually about half new price.
Last ones I had new where double cab 110, bought for 27, sold two years and 13k miles later cost 5k/yr and nearly £1/mile. Replaced with Isuzu twin cab at 25k new 3 years later 60k miles about 8k. 5.7k/yr. new Nissan/Renault/Citroen all similar drop in value.
Tend to buy vans 2 yr old with 20-50k on now usually about half new price.
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Monkeybusiness
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20k ish mileage a year, and all kept tidy.
I bumped the one I kept for 5 years (twice!) and it was a bit rough compared to the others but it worked out ok over the longer ownership period.
I’ve been lucky/sensible when buying (only buying when great deals were available) but it’s worked out well for me thus far.
We also run old tippers (Cabstars and Ivecos) as they get battered and I have always been reluctant to get anything new to see it get quickly ruined - it’s probably a false economy though as we do spend a lot of money on maintenance.
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Smiffy
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A local company runs a big fleet of aging fords. They have always bought well second hand and run them into the ground.
They now have a massive problem that they are expensive and difficult to maintain and because they have let the whole fleet get to old they have no collateral, the vans are costing a fortune to keep on the road and realistically they need half a million quid of vans
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Brendan
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To be fair my ranger has 108k on the clock so beside general servicing its had....
Battery
Glow plugs
2x front springs
Egr cooler was leaking but bypassed and mapped out
To be fair it did have some work done by ford as they stripped it down to the chassis which was then shot blasted and treated, before putting new front and rear shocks and leaf springs on it, which was a bit annoying as front springs were less than a year old but got complete shocks.
If I wanted to get rid of it I would be lucky to get 14k for it but 9.5k depreciation in 6 years is something like £130 a month plus mine has a 7t gtw
Reality is unless something major happens this will be kept for a long time
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DaveDCB
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That’s when companies switch to lease… and then go bust!
Giles
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I bought my 2.0 amorak 5 years ago with 67k miles paid 16.5 + vat, just sold it for 13 + vat with 137k on it needing timing belt and water pump. Bought a 3.0l 260hp with 80k for 18k plus vat so hopefully will get same low cost of ownership just can’t justify buying or leasing a new one. Not proud or a mad car guy as long as it does the job and can transport family safely I’m happy.
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