Lancs Lad
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Built up area...road planings ...presume they asked him what and where?Ffs. Throw the book at him
Built up area...road planings ...presume they asked him what and where?Ffs. Throw the book at him
Repairing a farm track.... totally legalBuilt up area...road planings ...presume they asked him what and where?
what was he hauling, where from and where to ... bet he was out of radius, even if the load was legit and over his drawbar weight ... slap on the wrist with a feather is never going to deter the ****ersFfs. Throw the book at him
depends how far he was from baseRepairing a farm track.... totally legal
what was he hauling, where from and where to ... bet he was out of radius, even if the load was legit and over his drawbar weight ... slap on the wrist with a feather is never going to deter the ****ers![]()
Always got the options of getting another job unless they are numptiesThat's not really fair tbh. Leave the drivers alone. Regardless of what task they are doing they will be being paid crap agricultural wages. It should be the vehicle owner that always takes the wrap.
Same for most busines related vehicle offences. Bar obviously driving offenses I think the vehicle owner should be held responsible if they send a vehicle out without good enough load security kit, bald tyres and so on as we all know how pushy companies can be .
Always got the options of getting another job unless they are numpties
Utter bolloxThat's not really fair tbh. Leave the drivers alone. Regardless of what task they are doing they will be being paid crap agricultural wages. It should be the vehicle owner that always takes the wrap.
Same for most busines related vehicle offences. Bar obviously driving offenses I think the vehicle owner should be held responsible if they send a vehicle out without good enough load security kit, bald tyres and so on as we all know how pushy companies can be .
exactly ... or stand up to his responsibilities and refuse to use an unfit vehicle ..Always got the options of getting another job unless they are numpties
neither is doing timeIt's not always that easy though.
Utter bollox
it is the responsibility of the driver to ensure that the vehicle is fit for use, at the start of every shift before getting behind the wheel and reporting any/all defects found - end of!
if it's not fit for use it should not be used - end of!
the driver is responsible for all of this and ensuring he carries a load in compliance with the law - end of! ...
if he is missing any equipment to comply, he should not be getting behind the wheel - end of !! ....
WTF shouldn't he be held responsible for not giving a sh1t, regardless of what he's paid ...
he has a responsibility to operate within the law .. End of !!
if he killed one of your loved ones because of his negligent behaviour you'd be the first to hang him out to dry AND his boss with him
exactly ... or stand up to his responsibilities and refuse to use an unfit vehicle ..
neither is doing time
" ignorantia juris non excusat ... ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law"Yes he should have every right to refuse but the punishment should be on the operator. It is the only way to actually stop the problems. Currently there are far far to many bullyish companies operating knowing that there slap dash attitude will ultimately be the drivers problem and the the majority of people are not in the position to change jobs at short notice.
And this shows no sign of changing as the companies know they can get away with it.
Certain parts of the industry are worse than others. On top of this atleast an hgv driver has CPC to try and educate them. The tractor driver if a young lad and only ever taught by the boss may well be completely ignorant of any wrong doing.
Oh I do ... have worked for a few and stood my ground on more than one occasionI don't think you realise the bullying attitude of alot of business druid. You have been very fortunate as are a lot on here to be in command of their own ship. Unfortunately what you forget is there are a lot of people in this country that are simply not in the position to stand up to there boss and equally as many people fully prepared to take advantage of this.
And by punishing the drivers you are doing nothing to stop these operators. If a driver refuses they will just find another.
Can't agree. When it comes to being told to drive an agri vehicle for an agri purpose, the company is the one running bent and therefore the company is the one that should be punished- severely. I really can't see what you think we stand to gain from penalising the poor driver just doing what he's told." ignorantia juris non excusat ... ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law"
it is the driver's responsibility to understand his legal obligations, when he takes to the road - end of !
It's like driving up the wrong side of a road/dual carriage way and saying they didn't know better ..
or the wrong way up a one way and saying they didn't understand what the sign meant ...
or driving an artic on a moped license
if you are on the road, you are legally obliged to know the law relating to what you are doing/driving .. there are no excuses for not knowing
whether you agree or not Doob, if driver's took their legal obligations seriously when on the roads then discussions like this would not be happening ... there are rules relating to 'agri use' which equally apply .... he wasn't pulled in a field FFSCan't agree. When it comes to being told to drive an agri vehicle for an agri purpose, the company is the one running bent and therefore the company is the one that should be punished- severely. I really can't see what you think we stand to gain from penalising the poor driver just doing what he's told.
Oh I do ... have worked for a few and stood my ground on more than one occasion
so you'd advocate doing time for an offence instead of dealing with it properly?
If I were dismissed by a belligerent boss, expecting me to risk my self for his benefit, my first port of call would be VOSA/DVSA and explain why to them. that's why they continue to be belligerent and behave the way they do - lack of accountability.
Plod who started this discussion off, should have done their jobs, not tickle the driver's wrists.
agreed but ... if these 'drivers' grew some and started dobbing these ar*e holes into DVSA , who could then nail them to the wall, things would change ... word would soon get around after DVSA prohibited a few from leaving their yards .. or simply impounded them the moment they set tyre on the black topI am saying it is a very hard place to be stood. I'm not saying keep working there indefinitely. But it takes time to find a new job. And nothing to say it's any better. There is a huge shortage of truck drivers in the UK and it's no surprise as it is a s**t system. And currently their is no incentive for the companies to stop bullying their staff into these situations.
The only other option would be a proper hgv drivers union but that has equally as many problems. So just punish the people who are making the decisions not those having the decisions made for them.