the Global Warming fiasco -- or how to tax the **** out of us

[V8Druid]

No but it does still give off NOX particles which I didn't realise.....

not only that but .....
" .. is hydrogen safe? The government and gas companies say it can be, even though hydrogen is both more leaky and combustible than natural gas. " (not saying it will be in this case though - are they ?)
" Both the gas companies and the government say residents are worrying needlessly about safety. They say that though hydrogen is more explosive, additional measures will be in place making the risk similar to that of natural gas. " righto

" Hydrogen cookers would make use of the existing natural gas network of pipes" that bodes well then

" It's also not clear how green the village will actually be. Though hydrogen can be made from water using renewable energy, more than 99% of the world's supply is currently made from fossil fuels, creating CO2 emissions. " so not green at all, defeating the whole raison d'etre for the whole fiasco --- even without the increased NOX output ......

interesting how they refer to Whitby (pop. 13,200) as a "village" ... it'll leave a town sized hole if it goes south

 

[Lancs Lad]

not only that but .....
" .. is hydrogen safe? The government and gas companies say it can be, even though hydrogen is both more leaky and combustible than natural gas. " (not saying it will be in this case though - are they ?)
" Both the gas companies and the government say residents are worrying needlessly about safety. They say that though hydrogen is more explosive, additional measures will be in place making the risk similar to that of natural gas. " righto

" Hydrogen cookers would make use of the existing natural gas network of pipes" that bodes well then

" It's also not clear how green the village will actually be. Though hydrogen can be made from water using renewable energy, more than 99% of the world's supply is currently made from fossil fuels, creating CO2 emissions. " so not green at all, defeating the whole raison d'etre for the whole fiasco --- even without the increased NOX output ......

interesting how they refer to Whitby (pop. 13,200) as a "village" ... it'll leave a town sized hole if it goes south

Whitby...now why would they pick that for a potentially explosive experiment

 

[V8Druid]

Whitby...now why would they pick that for a potentially explosive experiment

a Q I have been asking myself ... why Whitby or Redcar (pop. 37,100) .... you really need to read the article linked, to understand this is a fait accompli and no amount of resistance is going to change it, or reverse it .... can only guess that they're the closest to a large H2 production plant ... with the shortest feed network to go bang

Hydrogen heating trial treats us like guinea pigs - residents

An English town could be the first to turn off fossil fuel gas, but some residents aren't happy.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Lancs Lad]

a Q I have been asking myself ... why Whitby or Redcar (pop. 37,100) .... you really need to read the article linked, to understand this is a fait accompli and no amount of resistance is going to change it, or reverse it .... can only guess that they're the closest to a large H2 production plant ... with the shortest feed network to go bang

Hydrogen heating trial treats us like guinea pigs - residents

An English town could be the first to turn off fossil fuel gas, but some residents aren't happy.

www.bbc.co.uk

Have you ever been to Redcar ....I can see why

 

[V8Druid]

Have you ever been to Redcar ....I can see why

my guess'd be Wilton

 

[6feetdown]

my attitude with 'em is .. "I've told you before - not interested, now stop bothering me on my private number - DO NOT call me again " ... haven't had a call for some time ... emails just go straight in the bin
last time I looked the roll out is at less than 12% ... sooner or later they're going to get the message

I blocked them although they do leave voice message

 

[Gunners]

Well there is a risk of explosion with any gas. We mitigate that with some safety features (like adding a smell to it) so I'm personally not too worried about the safety of it. The risk of it leaking more are not to be ignored and we will no doubt have to upgrade our network if they intend to supply it that way. None of your points are disputed really Druid, but I just wanted to make people aware of the NOX given off when hydrogen is burnt in some circumstances because the way the media are talking - it only gives off steam which is not the case. I for one wasn't aware of this until I did further research.

As for Hydrogen manufacture, I also agree, that where we are currently is not good enough and society needs to find a way to generate it without it being carbon producing. Same for electricity may I add because as it stands currently, unless you live in Scotland, most of our energy is produced down south using Gas, so carbon neutral the electric car is not! Some good accounts to follow on twitter for those on there, one of which is @NationalGridESO which gives daily maps of what is producing electricity in your area. An interesting follow.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

To be fair I've never seen mention of pure hydrogen as a replacement for nat gas but a mixture of hydrogen and ? which i guess lowers emissions and helps keep it in the pipes.

Every gas boiler we fit is ready for 20% hydrogen mix already. Adding 29% hydrogen to existing gas network would be a massive carbon reduction (in theory)

 

[Rob65]

my guess'd be Wilton

Very close but no cigar sir.

The correct answer is that there is a plan to build a H2 production plant on the old steelworks site across the road from Wilton.

 

[6feetdown]

I'm pretty sure Magor brewery is in the process of building 1 too

 

[6feetdown]

'Heat pump costs me £850 a month to run and does not warm house'

'We are using some green non-polluting energy and Greta Thunberg will be pleased. However... we have a log burner chomping its way through a forest and sending smoke up the chimney'

www.walesonline.co.uk

 

[V8Druid]

Every gas boiler we fit is ready for 20% hydrogen mix already. Adding 29% hydrogen to existing gas network would be a massive carbon reduction (in theory)

but that is NOT what is being proposed here ......

" If the Whitby proposal is approved, pure hydrogen will flow through its pipes from 2025. Hydrogen's advantage is that unlike natural gas, it doesn't produce the climate-warming gas CO2 when burnt. "

Hydrogen heating trial treats us like guinea pigs - residents

An English town could be the first to turn off fossil fuel gas, but some residents aren't happy.

www.bbc.co.uk

you have now gaz

 

[V8Druid]

Very close but no cigar sir.

The correct answer is that there is a plan to build a H2 production plant on the old steelworks site across the road from Wilton.

well they'd better pull their fingers out if they'm gonna be burning it in Whitby/Redcar shortly then ........
the 'burning' Q is .....
will it be an electrolytic plant or conventional (as per 99% of UK production) plant producing from coal/oil/gas??? ...
if so WTF is the point when it produces more CO2 than it saves ...

which we all know by now has fk all to do with 'the global warming' farce and which is an essential (and declining) 'ingredient' for the continued existence of all life on the planet.

 

[V8Druid]

I'm pretty sure Magor brewery is in the process of building 1 too

they're building one, or there is one being built at the site ...... can't imagine the brewing industry produces a lot of H2 ??? all sorts of other gasses, quite probably

 

[V8Druid]

'Heat pump costs me £850 a month to run and does not warm house'

'We are using some green non-polluting energy and Greta Thunberg will be pleased. However... we have a log burner chomping its way through a forest and sending smoke up the chimney'

www.walesonline.co.uk

poor sods .... duped by a bunch of lying Whitehall twats to fulfill a fictitious agenda

 

[6feetdown]

poor sods .... duped by a bunch of lying Whitehall twats to fulfill a fictitious agenda

Don't work in old property

 

[V8Druid]

Don't work in old property

it might work in a sealed polystyrene box, but at what cost?

 

[OBL]

it might work in a sealed polystyrene box, but at what cost?

Totally agree, not fit for purpose unless the property suits it.

I have a Mitsubishi ASHP fitted in 2012 in a very highly insulated house with underfloor.

Until my electric went up I was paying less than £400 a year in heating and hot water on a ten year average measured by a meter I had fitted by the pump.

In an average house without underfloor or ridiculously oversized rads forget it, it just won’t work well at high flow temps for standard rads needing 60 deg. My flow temp is around 30deg I think from memory.

Was very expensive even back then. Dread to think what it would cost now... especially compared to the cost of an efficient combi.
I bet you’d get 3 combis fitted for the cost of my heat pump and not be screwed for heat and hot water when the power went off!!

 

[bobthebuilder]

Totally agree, not fit for purpose unless the property suits it.

I have a Mitsubishi ASHP fitted in 2012 in a very highly insulated house with underfloor.

Until my electric went up I was paying less than £400 a year in heating and hot water on a ten year average measured by a meter I had fitted by the pump.

In an average house without underfloor or ridiculously oversized rads forget it, it just won’t work well at high flow temps for standard rads needing 60 deg. My flow temp is around 30deg I think from memory.

Was very expensive even back then. Dread to think what it would cost now... especially compared to the cost of an efficient combi.
I bet you’d get 3 combis fitted for the cost of my heat pump and not be screwed for heat and hot water when the power went off!!

priced one the other week fitted 12kw ,14 grand

 

[Lancs Lad]

priced one the other week fitted 12kw ,14 grand

Wowsers they've gone up!!