Yamaguchi or Messersi Hi-lift tracked dumpers

[Digrig]

Hi

I have been lurking for a while and just joined tonight. Recently been looking at getting a Hi-lift mini tracked dumper that can load into skips.

The price of second hand machines is a joke to say the least and mostly abused junk that I’ve seen so far. This leaves me with looking at purchasing a new machine for peace of mind.

I’m currently looking at the Yamaguchi WB06 and also the Messersi TC50D.

What do you recommend from these two machines.

All help here is much appreciated.

 

[doobin]

I've not tried the high lift, but my Yamaguchi WB18 is simple and reliable. I had a much older (must be 30 years old at least) model from when they build for Kubota to badge them as the RC20, and that was still in good working order when I sold it.

 

[Giles]

I’ve not seen those ones you list but local plant hire guy has a few of the messirri ones, I like the look of the cormidi c6/c60. The slanetrack have a good following.

And @JD450A has a few of the hinowa diesel ones which I think are good workhorses as well

 

[doobin]

If you're skip loading, then make sure to check out no-so-obvious things such as the dump angle- too shallow can turn an easy day into a nightmare as loads refuse to leave the skip. I can't recommend the Hinowa ones I've tried for this reason- wouldn't even load into a Transit tipper for height either. Quite possible the newer designs have addressed this.

 

[Russell]

I've not used one but the miserssi hi tip looks to have one of the best capacity hoppers .
The slanetrack is a big lump of a thing but it has the largest capacity of a 700mm wide dumper that I have seen. The slanetrack might be difficult to get and they have gone away from planetary reduction motors

 

[Maxus]

I had the wb06 and it was pretty good but ridiculously loud, cumbersome and transmission (gears and belt drive) make it awkward to move around. I now have the jcb htd5 and its better for what I do (domestic landscaping) because is not as offensively loud, able to access more confined areas and simpler to operate as it has hydraulic drive. Downsides are it's slow and to avoid the unreliable versions you need to fork out quite a bit to get one with final drive motors on each track. Slane track looks an absolute beast in comparison much more powerful machine, but for me, trying to access smaller back gardens, it would not be right for the type of work I'm doing. I've not used messersi but I've heard the skip is quite small on the 1/2 tonne model and centre of gravity is high - otherwise they're known to be excellent.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Impressed with this I had for couple of days down south.... Seemed pretty powefull and good capacity and tip angle.
incidentally very impressed with FTH . Decent gear and delivery etc.

 

[Russell]

I had the wb06 and it was pretty good but ridiculously loud, cumbersome and transmission (gears and belt drive) make it award to move around. I now the jcb htd5 and its better for what I do because is not as offensively loud, able to access more confined area and simpler to operate as it has hydraulic drive. Downsides are it's slow and to avoid the unreliable versions you need to fork out quite a bit to get one with final drive motors on each track. Slane track looks and absolute beast in comparison much more powerful machine but for me, trying to access smaller back gardens, it would not be right for the type of work I'm doing. I've not used messersi but I've heard the skip is quite small on the 1/2 tonne model and centre of gravity is high - otherwise they're known to be excellent

Someone on here got a new high tip messersi that has a revised/larger skip. I think it was 0.25m3

 

[V8Druid]

didn't @Danny buy a new ???? / whatever, earlier this year ?

 

[Danny]

I've got a TC50D

 

[JD450A]

Personally I'd not be choosing anything other than the Hinowas.... We run three, a HP400, a HP1050 (I think) and a HP1500
All three are simple and well thought out..... Only issue for confined space/low height is the mast for the hi tip which tbf you can avoid by purchasing the old style HP800. And as stated the dump angle.... the Hinowas are great for free flowing loads.

A friend brought a new one on recommendation with the Kubota engine, skip is a better angle..... but they are pricy

 

[Digrig]

Hi lads,

Thanks for all the feedback on this, it’s very much appreciated. There is so much to take onboard regarding these machines.

I wasn’t aware the Yamaguchi was so loud and non hydrostatic, would be less to break down I guess.
Regarding the TC50D, I do like these but not too sure regarding reliability and the more I look at them they do look kind of top heavy with the skip being up so high.

I haven’t looked at the Hinowa brand but I will start looking at them, see what they have on offer. Are the parts easy to get hold of and good reliability etc on these machines?

Cheers

 

[doobin]

Hi lads,

Thanks for all the feedback on this, it’s very much appreciated. There is so much to take onboard regarding these machines.

I wasn’t aware the Yamaguchi was so loud and non hydrostatic, would be less to break down I guess.
Regarding the TC50D, I do like these but not too sure regarding reliability and the more I look at them they do look kind of top heavy with the skip being up so high.

I haven’t looked at the Hinowa brand but I will start looking at them, see what they have on offer. Are the parts easy to get hold of and good reliability etc on these machines?

Cheers

The flip side to belt drive is that they are a good deal quicker. My lumag you have to run behind full pelt.

 

[Gunners]

Impressed with this I had for couple of days down south.... Seemed pretty powefull and good capacity and tip angle.
incidentally very impressed with FTH . Decent gear and delivery etc.

What brings you down to the Costa del Hampshire/Surrey? I know the weather is great all year round but taking our jobs too! Bloody foreigners!
Just be careful with FTH, they have a habit of quoting you one price and charging you another. And if the kit breaks down, you're screwed as the "fitter" prefers to "talk you through" how to fix it rather than actually get off his arse and come to site himself! But they run the nicest stuff around here and are nice people to deal with even when you call them to complain about an invoice AGAIN!

 

[Lancs Lad]

What brings you down to the Costa del Hampshire/Surrey? I know the weather is great all year round but taking our jobs too! Bloody foreigners!
Just be careful with FTH, they have a habit of quoting you one price and charging you another. And if the kit breaks down, you're screwed as the "fitter" prefers to "talk you through" how to fix it rather than actually get off his arse and come to site himself! But they run the nicest stuff around here and are nice people to deal with even when you call them to complain about an invoice AGAIN!

Cheeky Muppet
It was a non paying bus man's holiday for family....I learn't that chambers waste recycled stuff is mainly plastic with a bit of stone mixed in

 

[Gunners]

Cheeky Muppet
It was a non paying bus man's holiday for family....I learn't that chambers waste recycled stuff is mainly plastic with a bit of stone mixed in

Clearly you had the wrong accent on the phone to them
You must have been close if you were using Chambers.... Somewhere near Farnham?

 

[Lancs Lad]

Clearly you had the wrong accent on the phone to them
You must have been close if you were using Chambers.... Somewhere near Farnham?

Spanish inquisition? FFS

 

[Brendan]

May as well put it here, JCB htd5 are excellent at the time I got mine it was the highest tipping point and very rare anything but wet clay sticks in it.

Having said that how does the slanetrac compare as been debating selling off the htd5 and c6.5 and just having the one high tip dumper

 

[fred]

electric htd is meant to be very good. stupid price but good.

 

[Russell]

May as well put it here, JCB htd5 are excellent at the time I got mine it was the highest tipping point and very rare anything but wet clay sticks in it.

Having said that how does the slanetrac compare as been debating selling off the htd5 and c6.5 and just having the one high tip dumper

slane is twice the jcb quite literally.