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[V8Druid]

Engcon signs deal with Hitachi

Swedish tiltrotator manufacturer Engcon has signed a supply agreement with Hitachi Construction Machinery (Europe) NV.

www.theconstructionindex.co.uk

 

[V8Druid]

can't make a lot of sense of this one -- S70 hitch (and presumably tilty) but on 80 mil top pins - wonder if it's 400 or 430 ctrs? deffo looks to be 325 wide

Engcon Tiltrotator, steelwrist excavator attachment 80mm pins 18-25T | eBay UK

Engcon RF S70 80mm Pins. This Engcon unit is simple and will work straight off yourmachines proportional joysticks if you have them. Good condition.

www.ebay.co.uk

 

[CPS]

Komatsu on the plate,

Should be 80mm 325mm dipper and 450mm centers

 

[V8Druid]

in my inbox this morning

A new way to present our products.​ From now on series 1, 2 and 3 will represent three different performance steps. Choosing the right tiltrotator from engcon is now easier than ever.​ Our tiltrotators are designed to fit every need - from core tilt and rotation functionality for smaller machines to advanced, future‑ready performance. Choosing the right tiltrotator from engcon is now easier than ever. There is an engcon for everyone.​

Series 1​

Series 1 is the first step into the world of tiltrotators, delivering core tilt and rotation.​

Series 2​

Series 2 is our flexible, full-range solution that increases productivity and streamlines everyday work, with optional EC-Oil for optimized tool handling.​

Series 3​

Series 3 is the ultimate tiltrotator experience with EC-Oil, featuring future ready technology and makes digging smarter, smoother and more efficient.​

Discover series​

Our tiltrotators are designed to fit every need - from core tilt and rotation functionality for smaller machines to advanced, future‑ready performance. Choosing the right tiltrotator from engcon is now easier than ever. There is an engcon for everyon

Our tiltrotators are designed to fit every need - from core tilt and rotation functionality for smaller machines to advanced, future‑ready performance. Choosing the right tiltrotator from engcon is now easier than ever. There is an engcon for everyone.

engcon.com

 

[Vinpetrol]

in my inbox this morning

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A new way to present our products.​ From now on series 1, 2 and 3 will represent three different performance steps. Choosing the right tiltrotator from engcon is now easier than ever.​ Our tiltrotators are designed to fit every need - from core tilt and rotation functionality for smaller machines to advanced, future‑ready performance. Choosing the right tiltrotator from engcon is now easier than ever. There is an engcon for everyone.​

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Series 1​

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Series 1 is the first step into the world of tiltrotators, delivering core tilt and rotation.​ ​

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Series 2​

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Series 2 is our flexible, full-range solution that increases productivity and streamlines everyday work, with optional EC-Oil for optimized tool handling.​ ​

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Series 3​

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Series 3 is the ultimate tiltrotator experience with EC-Oil, featuring future ready technology and makes digging smarter, smoother and more efficient.​ ​

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​ Discover series​

Our tiltrotators are designed to fit every need - from core tilt and rotation functionality for smaller machines to advanced, future‑ready performance. Choosing the right tiltrotator from engcon is now easier than ever. There is an engcon for everyon

Our tiltrotators are designed to fit every need - from core tilt and rotation functionality for smaller machines to advanced, future‑ready performance. Choosing the right tiltrotator from engcon is now easier than ever. There is an engcon for everyone.

engcon.com

About time !
Now it’ll all come down to pricing . So many excavators now coming 4 piped or at least as an option it makes sense to offer this up.
I think for general work a tilt rotator would be worth having if it can tilt rotate and pick up a set of forks for all mid range machines . Wether or not it’s worth paying the difference in price between that option and something with all the bells and whistles will be all about how much you will need the additional functions this will offer up , if they are a necessity for the type of work you do , and does the work pay enough to justify the additional costs

 

[doobin]

They’re still not offering a basic four pipe for a 9 tonner.

 

[Vinpetrol]

They’re still not offering a basic four pipe for a 9 tonner.

You’re right , I missed that . I can’t see why not though it seems a no brainer to me . I reckon they’d sell far more off them if they did.

 

[Vinpetrol]

They’re still not offering a basic four pipe for a 9 tonner.

You’re right , I missed that . I assumed that’s what the big announcement was about . So just a new bit of marketing then . I can’t see why not though it seems a no brainer to me . I reckon they’d sell far more off them if they did

 

[APhillips]

They’re still not offering a basic four pipe for a 9 tonner.

We (Steelwrist) still have this option in our range, but to be honest since joining in June last year, I have only been asked for it a handful of times for machines of that size.

The performance of the 4-hose system is very much dependent on how good the dual auxiliaries are on the machine and this varies quite a lot. It can work well for customers who use purely mechanical tools (buckets, forks etc) but as soon as you throw in the potential for hydraulic tools under the tilty the operation becomes a lot more clunky as its the tilt function that gets diverted to power the gripper and lower auxiliaries.

When you start explaining this to customers many of them decide to go down the route of a full control system which provides a lot of scope for optimising the operation of the tiltrotator and multitasking all functions.

 

[Vinpetrol]

We (Steelwrist) still have this option in our range, but to be honest since joining in June last year, I have only been asked for it a handful of times for machines of that size.

The performance of the 4-hose system is very much dependent on how good the dual auxiliaries are on the machine and this varies quite a lot. It can work well for customers who use purely mechanical tools (buckets, forks etc) but as soon as you throw in the potential for hydraulic tools under the tilty the operation becomes a lot more clunky as its the tilt function that gets diverted to power the gripper and lower auxiliaries.

When you start explaining this to customers many of them decide to go down the route of a full control system which provides a lot of scope for optimising the operation of the tiltrotator and multitasking all functions.

There’s a lot of influencing factors though that may be the reason why it hasn’t been taken up so much . The price difference for one. Also how do your salesmen pitch ? Everyone will want the bells and whistles when offered them if the price difference is say 1K but if the price difference was 5K and you asked them will they need anything other than buckets forks I bet you’d get more business . Majority of my work is new build stuff , I fitted a basic 4 pipe to my duck in 2014 . It was a gamechager for me . Lack of gripper or whacker plate attached to it has been irrelevant .
Also if a manufacturers hydraulics aren’t up to the job then out them ! Put it on here . There’s no reason on a machine 8t and up should struggle for flow to accomodate a tilt rotator .

 

[doobin]

There’s a lot of influencing factors though that may be the reason why it hasn’t been taken up so much . The price difference for one. Also how do your salesmen pitch ? Everyone will want the bells and whistles when offered them if the price difference is say 1K but if the price difference was 5K and you asked them will they need anything other than buckets forks I bet you’d get more business . Majority of my work is new build stuff , I fitted a basic 4 pipe to my duck in 2014 . It was a gamechager for me . Lack of gripper or whacker plate attached to it has been irrelevant .
Also if a manufacturers hydraulics aren’t up to the job then out them ! Put it on here . There’s no reason on a machine 8t and up should struggle for flow to accomodate a tilt rotator .

Agree. I bet many of us hardly use anything other than the Scandi bucket under a tilty. If I’m doing any proper bulking out the first thing I do is drop the damn thing off.

Manufacturers need to listen less to subsidised influencers and their sparkly machines and more to their user base on the less glamorous side of things. Yes a gripper is nice. For most of us its not worth £15k for it and a control system when we can have a dedicated grab for far less than half that.

 

[Vinpetrol]

@APhillips

I have 2 engcons but I’m listening to you at steelwrist as you actually are making buckets that are suitably sized for small tilt rotators and in my opinion engcon aren’t doing that just now so this is an opportunity here to steal engcons thunder and get more business.
Can you post the prices up on here for the 4 pipe units without operating systems ?

 

[Furniss]

3 years in and find mine brilliant on the 6t - think its called ss9 but forget tbh, I dont think the flow getting nicked for the gripper costs me any time to speak off, wackers own machine controls are very smooth and advanced I suppose, tilt and a dedicated flow dial alters tilt flow,rotate and dial automatically switches to rotate, it has a take up point adjuster and whatever but not often you mess with anything once youve settled on a setup, as machines get well sorted dual pipe setups I dont see why that wouldn't become the most popular, got to be most bang for buck.

yes using powered tools would be a different story, but you would be daft to pay full fat just for the gripper functionality.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

I have 3x 4-hose Rototilts on a 3, 6 and 15 tonne Takeuchi, and use them all for as much grab work as bucket work. At no point have I wished for a more complicated setup!
A mate has a full-fat EC oil through the top hitch and tilty Engcon on his 14 tonner which is mega, but he can’t even take the tilty off and submerge the top hitch under water without it breaking down! Massively overcomplicated (my basic Rototilts work underwater fairly often when digging ponds and I haven’t had a single issue).

 

[Furniss]

mine decided to piss oil out just now not a lot of room for these pipes in a detachable gripper 206, gone on the tight bend back to tilty from the t

 

[Vinpetrol]

in my inbox this morning

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A new way to present our products.​ From now on series 1, 2 and 3 will represent three different performance steps. Choosing the right tiltrotator from engcon is now easier than ever.​ Our tiltrotators are designed to fit every need - from core tilt and rotation functionality for smaller machines to advanced, future‑ready performance. Choosing the right tiltrotator from engcon is now easier than ever. There is an engcon for everyone.​

​

Series 1​

​

Series 1 is the first step into the world of tiltrotators, delivering core tilt and rotation.​ ​

​

Series 2​

​

Series 2 is our flexible, full-range solution that increases productivity and streamlines everyday work, with optional EC-Oil for optimized tool handling.​ ​

​

Series 3​

​

Series 3 is the ultimate tiltrotator experience with EC-Oil, featuring future ready technology and makes digging smarter, smoother and more efficient.​ ​

​

​ Discover series​

Our tiltrotators are designed to fit every need - from core tilt and rotation functionality for smaller machines to advanced, future‑ready performance. Choosing the right tiltrotator from engcon is now easier than ever. There is an engcon for everyon

Our tiltrotators are designed to fit every need - from core tilt and rotation functionality for smaller machines to advanced, future‑ready performance. Choosing the right tiltrotator from engcon is now easier than ever. There is an engcon for everyone.

engcon.com

Look at the size of the grading bucket on the wee 019 kubota and that’s their advertisement

 

[6feetdown]

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mine decided to piss oil out just now not a lot of room for these pipes in a detachable gripper 206, gone on the tight bend back to tilty from the t

Funnily enough 1 of my pipe fittings came loose yesterday luckily spotted it quickly

 

[Furniss]

Funnily enough 1 of my pipe fittings came loose yesterday luckily spotted it quickly

Local hyd place cant do them so im in the hands of Engcon
ordered 2 as the best one is also quite badly rubbed, price to follow, might be back to working Saturdays

 

[6feetdown]

Local hyd place cant do them so im in the hands of Engcon
ordered 2 as the best one is also quite badly rubbed, price to follow, might be back to working Saturdays

I'm in Saturday too might be a late start due to the rugby!
I've a pot to fill for December when I go back

 

[Gunners]

They’re still not offering a basic four pipe for a 9 tonner.

They do, your just not asking the right questions.
Actually, thinking about it, Engcon might not do one now (in this country at least) But Rototilt and I see above from @APhillips, Steelwrist, certainly do.

On the subject of control systems, they are expensive, especially on the smaller machines pro rata. But dual aux's cost money too, which goes some way to reducing that cost. And there are some advantages, even on the smallest machines, to having one. Which for some people wont be worth the cost, but for others, it will.
There is no right or wrong tiltrotator build - whatever suits your budget and work is right for you.
I realise I'm starting to sound like LGPEddie did 10 years ago... I didn't have one back then. And now I do, I sort of understand where he was coming from.
Interesting that the conversation hasn't really moved on much with the humble tiltrotator though. And most innovation I see with them is to do with making them easier to install rather than more functionality. Although mic4 and openS are interesting standards that would make life a lot easier for us all.
But those of you without control systems wouldn't be interested in that