Yanmar SV26 vs Kubota KX027-4 vs Bobcat E27

[Furniss]

My Wacker is the same. Crap tbh. Hot legs sure but no ducting to take it to the windscreen.

thats money off

 

[doobin]

My Wacker is the same. Crap tbh. Hot legs sure but no ducting to take it to the windscreen.

The bobcat has screen vents but due to the nature of any mini digger (door on left, so no vents possible that side) you’ll struggle to keep a screen clear from even the slightest bit of moisture in the cab if you shut it up.

Air con might help as OP suggests. Personally though I don’t like operating with the screen shut for some reason.

 

[S B Rural Contracting]

Yeah same problem. Not sure what post knocker you have but mine is 350kg and wouldn't be legal with any of the above models. When I take my tak (2.9ton) to a job I just have to move the machine bare stick or one bucket, bring the knocker/ attachment separately with dumper or materials. Not ideal but kinda works for jobs that are more than a day or 3 long.

I think mine's more like 250kg. Yeah I do that too, but usually take it all on the plant trailer for small/one day jobs where materials are on site already. Probably pushing it a bit with the knocker, grab, auger, rock spike and a bucket but the kx61 is only 2590kg and I've got a pretty light trailer. Do you always work alone or ever have a second person bring the other trailer?

 

[S B Rural Contracting]

The bobcat has screen vents but due to the nature of any mini digger (door on left, so no vents possible that side) you’ll struggle to keep a screen clear from even the slightest bit of moisture in the cab if you shut it up.

Air con might help as OP suggests. Personally though I don’t like operating with the screen shut for some reason.

I don't get it. Seems the first thing most people do when they get in a digger is open the front window. Keep it clean with a bit of glass cleaner and squeegee and you can usually see just as well, unless the sun's on it at a funny angle. I guess I've had too many stones etc thrown at me from roots flicking them etc Also had a hose split on a kubota u48 just above the kingpin and it sprayed a fair amount of oil into the cab.

 

[doobin]

I don't get it. Seems the first thing most people do when they get in a digger is open the front window. Keep it clean with a bit of glass cleaner and squeegee and you can usually see just as well, unless the sun's on it at a funny angle. I guess I've had too many stones etc thrown at me from roots flicking them etc Also had a hose split on a kubota u48 just above the kingpin and it sprayed a fair amount of oil into the cab.

Well I don’t understand people who like to be enclosed in a cab!

I’m always in out the cab with a chainsaw, sweating heavily too. That probably has a bearing on things.

In our line of work you can’t be too precious. I wouldn’t have had you down as a cab queen

 

[doobin]

I think mine's more like 250kg. Yeah I do that too, but usually take it all on the plant trailer for small/one day jobs where materials are on site already. Probably pushing it a bit with the knocker, grab, auger, rock spike and a bucket but the kx61 is only 2590kg and I've got a pretty light trailer. Do you always work alone or ever have a second person bring the other trailer?

Any 2.7 ton with a bucket or grab has to go on a gh1054 to stay legal really, which means the knocker has to go in the towing vehicle as no space or payload in the trailer.

I have a Ranger pickup with a tipper body that works well for rural work like this.

Calcs for the E27 transport weight:

E27 weight transport-2549kg
Counterweight- 147kg
Hitch- 20kg
Grab-90kg
Rotator- 30kg

2836kg total digger weight.

Ifor Gh1054 weighs 660kg, so 2840kg payload.

So it's tight, and over with steel tracks unless you remove the grab and rotator, then it's about right again. But doable. So too is the Bobcat T450- fits beautifully and legally in the GH1054 with the 210kg bucket in the towing vehicle. It's a brilliant trailer.

 

[Lancs Lad]

Well I don’t understand people who like to be enclosed in a cab!

I’m always in out the cab with a chainsaw, sweating heavily too. That probably has a bearing on things.

In our line of work you can’t be too precious. I wouldn’t have had you down as a cab queen

Since he's been a nipper my lad first thing he does on getting in machine is open all windows ..
I said why do you.. "it's just what everyone does,no on runs a machine with windows shut"

 

[Storrsy]

Well I don’t understand people who like to be enclosed in a cab!

I’m always in out the cab with a chainsaw, sweating heavily too. That probably has a bearing on things.

In our line of work you can’t be too precious. I wouldn’t have had you down as a cab queen

Yeah I'm the same. The glare from the screen is a pain on a sunny day and the misting on a wet day is equally annoying. Just feels more in touch not having a piece of glass in between you and the workpiece! Although nice to be in an enclosed heated bubble on really foul days doing a nice stretch of ditching or something where you never have to get out.

 

[doobin]

Yeah I'm the same. The glare from the screen is a pain on a sunny day and the misting on a wet day is equally annoying. Just feels more in touch not having a piece of glass in between you and the workpiece! Although nice to be in an enclosed heated bubble on really foul days doing a nice stretch of ditching or something where you never have to get out.

Yes, that's true. When a savage cold wind is blowing, etc. Although I normally find closing the door is sufficient then.

If the window shut helped with soundproofing I might be more inclined, but any 2.7t is an ear defenders on jobby in my experience.

 

[Grahams]

Why spend the extra on a machine with a cab if you always have the windows and door open? Save money and weight and get a canopy machine.

 

[Storrsy]

I think mine's more like 250kg. Yeah I do that too, but usually take it all on the plant trailer for small/one day jobs where materials are on site already. Probably pushing it a bit with the knocker, grab, auger, rock spike and a bucket but the kx61 is only 2590kg and I've got a pretty light trailer. Do you always work alone or ever have a second person bring the other trailer?

Yeah all that ex trailer will be well over the 3t mark plus most trailers with 3.5t will be pushing 700kg. Yeah I work alone mostly , but find ways around it, do very little fencing these days anyway. One of the main reasons I bought the Wacker neuson too at 2.2ton was so I could take it to jobs with a selection of attachments or some materials and still be within 3.5t.

 

[Storrsy]

Why spend the extra on a machine with a cab if you always have the windows and door open? Save money and weight and get a canopy machine.

Because at least you have choice if you have cab and as Doobin says eve with the front window open the rest of the cab does a nice job of keeping the majority of the weather out. I wouldnt want to spend a winter on a canopy machine! Keeps the cab nice and dry too- no one likes sitting on a wet seat in the middle of December

 

[Storrsy]

Any 2.7 ton with a bucket or grab has to go on a gh1054 to stay legal really, which means the knocker has to go in the towing vehicle as no space or payload in the trailer.

I have a Ranger pickup with a tipper body that works well for rural work like this.

Calcs for the E27 transport weight:

E27 weight transport-2549kg
Counterweight- 147kg
Hitch- 20kg
Grab-90kg
Rotator- 30kg

2836kg total digger weight.

Ifor Gh1054 weighs 660kg, so 2840kg payload.

So it's tight, and over with steel tracks unless you remove the grab and rotator, then it's about right again. But doable. So too is the Bobcat T450- fits beautifully and legally in the GH1054 with the 210kg bucket in the towing vehicle. It's a brilliant trailer.View attachment 81474

Yes. Although I haven't weighed it yet I believe the 660kg figure for the trailer is for the one with split ramps and no spare tyre. Probably 700kg in practise.

 

[Storrsy]

Any 2.7 ton with a bucket or grab has to go on a gh1054 to stay legal really, which means the knocker has to go in the towing vehicle as no space or payload in the trailer.

I have a Ranger pickup with a tipper body that works well for rural work like this.

Calcs for the E27 transport weight:

E27 weight transport-2549kg
Counterweight- 147kg
Hitch- 20kg
Grab-90kg
Rotator- 30kg

2836kg total digger weight.

Ifor Gh1054 weighs 660kg, so 2840kg payload.

So it's tight, and over with steel tracks unless you remove the grab and rotator, then it's about right again. But doable. So too is the Bobcat T450- fits beautifully and legally in the GH1054 with the 210kg bucket in the towing vehicle. It's a brilliant trailer.View attachment 81474

How does that tow? Looks like nose weight would be massive!? My 2 ton dumper backed on to a 1054 was bad enough just too much of its weight up front.

 

[Furniss]

door shut front window open - wind doesnt blow through, you compromise your senses a bit through glass imho, sound and vision.
if you were sat on a big machine loading from a stockpile or something then yeah

 

[Brendan]

door iimn not too bothered about but if in and out constantly just leave it open, front window normally open unless its really cold or hammering it down. i prefer it as more open but secondly its tinted and a bit annoying

 

[doobin]

How does that tow? Looks like nose weight would be massive!? My 2 ton dumper backed on to a 1054 was bad enough just too much of its weight up front.

Seems fine, although I’ve since discovered that without a bucket it’s nowhere near as rear heavy as a Multione- so now I load it forwards.

I have airbags so can get a good handle on nose weight by watching the pressures.

 

[S B Rural Contracting]

Well I don’t understand people who like to be enclosed in a cab!

I’m always in out the cab with a chainsaw, sweating heavily too. That probably has a bearing on things.

In our line of work you can’t be too precious. I wouldn’t have had you down as a cab queen

Neither would I but you learn something about yourself every day

Tbf I'm the same, in and out on the saw. Difference is it doesn't stop raining over in West Wales and it's always wet. Seems I'm on my own on this one but I have the heaters on flat out all winter and crack the side window to get a bit of air circulation.

 

[S B Rural Contracting]

Yeah all that ex trailer will be well over the 3t mark plus most trailers with 3.5t will be pushing 700kg. Yeah I work alone mostly , but find ways around it, do very little fencing these days anyway. One of the main reasons I bought the Wacker neuson too at 2.2ton was so I could take it to jobs with a selection of attachments or some materials and still be within 3.5t.

Yeah good point. Would be good to have a machine that size but feel it would be a disappointment if I didn't also have soemthing a bit bigger.

 

[S B Rural Contracting]

Yes. Although I haven't weighed it yet I believe the 660kg figure for the trailer is for the one with split ramps and no spare tyre. Probably 700kg in practise.

I bought the bateson trailer because it was marketed as light, I think it was something like 580kg. I added a strip of ply to the centre of the trailer and with a spare wheel it was mid to high 600's but can't remember. Split ramps have meant I can't move a roller which is really annoying, otherwise they're great