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[V8Druid]

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One for Druid maybe .... I have 60cm about here .... whats best way to attach it ?
Short to get a rachet in

very short chain binder or a turnbuckle with open ends instead of eyes

 

[JD450A]

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One for Druid maybe .... I have 60cm about here .... whats best way to attach it ?
Short to get a rachet in

Short Chain. Track forward, binder on the blade end

 

[Smiffy]

Cut the hook and loops off the binder use shackles direction 9nto the machine and the body.
Or make your own clamp seeing as it will always be the same machine. You can get high tensile threaded bar. Just use a big spanner to tighten it

 

[Furniss]

Short Chain. Track forward, binder on the blade end

The 2 places local to me had binders but with chains then they were too long.

@ Rory Short chains at back and binders to blade end sounds good but nothing at back of skip to chain blade round.

I use setup below for 3 tonner and dumper but thought binders of some sort would be better for 8t.

I sort of came up with this at the shop but they only had 3 hooks and didn't get time to sort it before they shut for plat de jour

 

[V8Druid]

The 2 places local to me had binders but with chains then they were too long.

@ Rory Short chains at back and binders to blade end sounds good but nothing at back of skip to chain blade round.

I use setup below for 3 tonner and dumper but thought binders of some sort would be better for 8t.
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I sort of came up with this at the shop but they only had 3 hooks and didn't get time to sort it before they shut for plat de jour


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use shackles instead of hooks

 

[craig]

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One for Druid maybe .... I have 60cm about here .... whats best way to attach it ?
Short to get a rachet in

What about using the eyes at the other end of the track frame, and a normal chain and binder?

 

[Furniss]

What about using the eyes at the other end of the track frame, and a normal chain and binder?

yeah its an option ......because it only ever moves the 8t though the idea was to try have something to do the job just right size and nice and light to handle and store on the lorry, without a load of chain.

 

[Furniss]

 

[V8Druid]

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loose one of the links if you need to shorten it up any more Kev ... nice solution

 

[Furniss]

It's bang on tight at end of threads with arse 5cm off headboard
Sent Mrs off to get them and got lucky

 

[V8Druid]

It's bang on tight at end of threads with arse 5cm off headboard
Sent Mrs off to get them and got lucky

very !!

 

[Smiffy]

It's bang on tight at end of threads with arse 5cm off headboard
Sent Mrs off to get them and got lucky

I doubt they are as fussy in your part of the world but our delightful lot consider it insecure in there is not exposed thread as they can't guarantee its tight against the machine and not tight because it's dead ended.

 

[Furniss]

I doubt they are as fussy in your part of the world but our delightful lot consider it insecure in there is not exposed thread as they can't guarantee its tight against the machine and not tight because it's dead ended.

Ok ill inch forward so tight shows threads ...but tbf unless it's chained to front like Rory said then its fairly insecure anyhow

 

[JD450A]

Ok ill inch forward so tight shows threads ...but tbf unless it's chained to front like Rory said then its fairly insecure anyhow

You need to chain machines to the front on a hookloader..... If you don't and things go awry you'll drastically regret it.

IMHO I'd have a set of fixed length chains on the front, hook em, track forward to tighten them and then have a opposing set with binders at the arse end of the machine and a strap over the boom.

Fyi and before someone says every chain needs a binder.... It doesn't. Reality is provided chainage isn't loose it's serving it's purpose.

You could in the UK have two chains going from the sideboards of the lorry over the top of the tracks and that would legally oblige, but you and I know they would be as useful as a chocolate teapot.

 

[Furniss]

You need to chain machines to the front on a hookloader..... If you don't and things go awry you'll drastically regret it.

IMHO I'd have a set of fixed length chains on the front, hook em, track forward to tighten them and then have a opposing set with binders at the arse end of the machine and a strap over the boom.

Fyi and before someone says every chain needs a binder.... It doesn't. Reality is provided chainage isn't loose it's serving it's purpose.

You could in the UK have two chains going from the sideboards of the lorry over the top of the tracks and that would legally oblige, but you and I know they would be as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Yes I know it needs work ..just a lash up to get going.

I will weld some of those eyes on to the bottom of the corner posts at thd back and then secure as you describe from front of blade

 

[Bri963]

You need to chain machines to the front on a hookloader..... If you don't and things go awry you'll drastically regret it.

IMHO I'd have a set of fixed length chains on the front, hook em, track forward to tighten them and then have a opposing set with binders at the arse end of the machine and a strap over the boom.

Fyi and before someone says every chain needs a binder.... It doesn't. Reality is provided chainage isn't loose it's serving it's purpose.

You could in the UK have two chains going from the sideboards of the lorry over the top of the tracks and that would legally oblige, but you and I know they would be as useful as a chocolate teapot.

I’m afraid the DfT code of practise (Safety of Loads on vehicles) would differ on a couple of points, Rory.

If you‘re using something not specifically designed to move plant, you need to ”provide equal security to that provided by a purpose built vehicle” (13:3)

13:16. “The machine must be restrained (blah blah) attached to anchorage points on the vehicle. All lashings should incorporate some form of tensioning device”

Granted I think most us know what is and isn’t safe, but worst case, (lost load) VOSA will use the code of practise as their guide, not our experience. It’s worth a read, esp. section 13. Mind you, some of the pictures from p.80 onwards of suggested securing methods are a bit unrealistic.

I’ll get the popcorn.

 

[V8Druid]

Ok ill inch forward so tight shows threads ...but tbf unless it's chained to front like Rory said then its fairly insecure anyhow

can you not put a suitably sized baulk of timber across the headboard to reverse against and tighten the chains against it ?

 

[JD450A]

I’m afraid the DfT code of practise (Safety of Loads on vehicles) would differ on a couple of points, Rory.

If you‘re using something not specifically designed to move plant, you need to ”provide equal security to that provided by a purpose built vehicle” (13:3)

13:16. “The machine must be restrained (blah blah) attached to anchorage points on the vehicle. All lashings should incorporate some form of tensioning device”

Granted I think most us know what is and isn’t safe, but worst case, (lost load) VOSA will use the code of practise as their guide, not our experience. It’s worth a read, esp. section 13. Mind you, some of the pictures from p.80 onwards of suggested securing methods are a bit unrealistic.

I’ll get the popcorn.

You and I know the score....

"1.12 The variety of loads, vehicles and operating conditions make it impossible to cover all the circumstances likely to be encountered by drivers and operators. This Code must therefore not be regarded as exhaustive or exclusive, but it does apply to all vehicles from the smallest car derived van to the largest goods vehicle. Satisfactory securing methods not mentioned in this code do exist, and others will be developed. However, the basic principles described in this Code must be complied with, irrespective of the actual method used to secure the load."

If you wound up in court it would come down to a question of whether the setup was adequate. Furniss's setup ticks a big box by getting the excavator as close to the headboard as possible. which satisfies the restraint of 100% of the load, so the chains on the blade holding the machine back are bonus points. The front chains would theoretically be only needing to hold 50% of the load, as arguably the sideboards also can do for the sideways forces.

It is all a argument to be had, but i'd happily argue my case in court.

Hookloaders NEED chains from headboard to machine...... otherwise when it goes wrong it goes real wrong

 

[Bri963]

You and I know the score....

"1.12 The variety of loads, vehicles and operating conditions make it impossible to cover all the circumstances likely to be encountered by drivers and operators. This Code must therefore not be regarded as exhaustive or exclusive, but it does apply to all vehicles from the smallest car derived van to the largest goods vehicle. Satisfactory securing methods not mentioned in this code do exist, and others will be developed. However, the basic principles described in this Code must be complied with, irrespective of the actual method used to secure the load."

If you wound up in court it would come down to a question of whether the setup was adequate. Furniss's setup ticks a big box by getting the excavator as close to the headboard as possible. which satisfies the restraint of 100% of the load, so the chains on the blade holding the machine back are bonus points. The front chains would theoretically be only needing to hold 50% of the load, as arguably the sideboards also can do for the sideways forces.

It is all a argument to be had, but i'd happily argue my case in court.

Hookloaders NEED chains from headboard to machine...... otherwise when it goes wrong it goes real wrong

I don’t want to see anybody needing to argue their case in court, if you are chances are because the set-up wasn’t adequate. If it was an inspection,it could end up with a prohibition. Either way, cost and inconvenience.

I know where you’re coming from re the hookloaders, and I’d probably do the same, but I’ve sent and received a few machines on them and the drivers have never once chained them to the headboard, just cross-chained them at both ends, which I have to say did surprise me.

Re. Furniss’s set-up, he’s in France where a tray of eggs on the bonnet of a 2CV is regarded as secure.

 

[JD450A]

I don’t want to see anybody needing to argue their case in court, if you are chances are because the set-up wasn’t adequate. If it was an inspection,it could end up with a prohibition. Either way, cost and inconvenience.

I know where you’re coming from re the hookloaders, and I’d probably do the same, but I’ve sent and received a few machines on them and the drivers have never once chained them to the headboard, just cross-chained them at both ends, which I have to say did surprise me.

Re. Furniss’s set-up, he’s in France where a tray of eggs on the bonnet of a 2CV is regarded as secure.

Trouble is though Bri, not enough of us are willing to push sense to court.

I'm an active believer that a major reason road haulage has f***ed itself is the keenest approach of "pay the fine" load security is the biggest issue of the bunch that results in paying of fines when actually the grounds for the fine are dangerous ground.....

If something has 4 individual chains and two binders having utilized the machines own power to tension 2 chains and the binders to tension the other two and do the final locking is the load insecure?

You can't say the machine Needs tensioners to stop moving as the trailer manufacturers have got away with making shitty autolock trailers where the mini digger loosely clamps on.

All this ignores the fact that if I drive a machine into a hooklift bin and the sides are almost equal to the machine height I don't legally need to strap it at all.

It's a can of worms, but unless it's a can your willing to take to court then don't do it.